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2021-2022 Cavaliers General Discussion: Trade Deadline Edition

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Who Should the Cavs Trade For?

  • Murray

    Votes: 18 37.5%

  • Lavert

    Votes: 17 35.4%

  • White

    Votes: 1 2.1%

  • Seth Curry

    Votes: 1 2.1%

  • Schroeder

    Votes: 7 14.6%

  • Tatum

    Votes: 3 6.3%

  • Hart

    Votes: 3 6.3%

  • Ingram

    Votes: 1 2.1%

  • Brown

    Votes: 2 4.2%

  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 9 18.8%
  • Total voters
    48
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Wham with the Right Hand said:
In his last 13 games last year Okoro averaged 15.7 ppg and scored in double figures 12 times. I don't see any reason he can't average 16 ppg this year.

This team is head and shoulders over last year. For example, in the last week of the season the Cavs lost 111-102 to Indiana. They trailed by 2 points going into the 4th quarter.

Garland, Love, Osman, Prince, and Hartenstein were out. Wade and Dotson started and played 38 and 26 minutes. Brodric Thomas, Jeremiah Martin, and Kabengele came off the bench to play 34, 15, and 16 minutes. So Thomas, Martin, Kabengele, Wade, and Dotson - five guys who won't sniff the floor this year even if they make the team - played 119 minutes. And they still were down two starting the fourth quarter and lost by nine. Indiana ended up 34-38.

There will be no comparison between this year's Cavaliers and last year's.
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Don’t be fooled by late season stats in a lost season.

I’ll be surprised if Okoro averages double figures this year, and even if he does, I would expect his efficiency to be poor.

He’s just not a good offensive player, and has a long way to go to become one.
 
I don't think Okoro sucks. I think he can do more. If he isn't shooting or even looking to shoot as a starter he kept can't continue to start.

Im not taking Mobley out of the starting lineup or Allen. Okoro is a bigger project than Evan. Evan can contribute more now.

I
 
Cavatt said:
I don't think Okoro sucks. I think he can do more. If he isn't shooting or even looking to shoot as a starter he kept can't continue to start.

Im not taking Mobley out of the starting lineup or Allen. Okoro is a bigger project than Evan. Evan can contribute more now.

I
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What can Okoro even do? He can't shoot, he can't dribble, he can't rebound, hell he can't even defend and that's what he was "supposedly" drafted for. Watching him pick up 3 fouls all within the first quarter every game is pathetic. I see no redeeming qualities in him as a player.
 
I’m trying to stay optimistic. There were some nice things at the end of last season although it’s hard to tell how much they meant, unless teams are competing for a playoff spot April in the NBA is silly season
 
cavsfever said:
I’m trying to stay optimistic. There were some nice things at the end of last season although it’s hard to tell how much they meant, unless teams are competing for a playoff spot April in the NBA is silly season
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his best game came against a team that was in the finals and they played 4 starters 35 or more minutes in that game and beat the Cavs by 16. Nobody was taking games off when he did his best work. Except Garland didn't play in any of them.
If they want that Okoro he has to be the 6th or 7th man thus season
 
Cavatt said:
I don't think Okoro sucks. I think he can do more. If he isn't shooting or even looking to shoot as a starter he kept can't continue to start.

Im not taking Mobley out of the starting lineup or Allen. Okoro is a bigger project than Evan. Evan can contribute more now.
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I hope Rubio can help Okoro find ways to score when playing off the ball. I really don't think it's necessary for Rubio to help Sexton work on his off the ball game. We already know Sexton can play well in that role since he did so with Delly.

If I'm trying to use Rubio to develop players on the court, it would be trying to develop Okoro and Garland off the ball. I would ask him to help Sexton in the film room since we already know Sexton loves going over film. Even that might spread Rubio too thin.

I fully expect Rubio to be gone by the trade deadline so I would pick areas in development that we think he can make the biggest impact. To me that is helping Okoro and Garland develop their off the ball game.
 
Really enjoyed the Rubio, Windler, Wade units last game.

It shows what kind of players we need around Mobley imo - quick decision makers who pass the ball around fast and can shoot with little space. Love and Markkanen fall into this category too, just too bad about their defense.
 
I think its really interesting how a bunch of our players do really well when playing up a position (Windler/Cedi at 2, Mobley at 4, Lauri at 3, Nance at 3 last year etc). I wonder if the solution is to see if we can't turn Sexland into a 3nD wing or a lower level ballhandling wing and run out a tree lineup
 
red. said:

Cavaliers coach J.B. Bickerstaff said he may play Lauri Markkanen at small forward when the team goes big.​

“It’s one of those things where I believe he’s one of our best players,” Bickerstaff said of Markkanen. “So we have to do what we can to get him on the floor so he can help us. His versatility helps. Right now, you see the strength of our bigs and the fact that they are so versatile and they can play next to each other, you can get them out there on the floor.” This is great news for Markkanen's fantasy value, as the Cavs have plenty of depth upfront, so there was a concern about how many minutes would be available. However, if Markkanen can log minutes alongside Jarrett Allen and Evan Mobley or Kevin Love, that's would allow for an uptick in playing time.
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JBB has to play the cards he was dealt but I am less than excited about the prospect of Markkanen at SF.
 
WorldBExpensive said:
JBB has to play the cards he was dealt but I am less than excited about the prospect of Markkanen at SF.
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I think you may be thinking about this wrong. It's not about Markkanen being good at SF in a vacuum, it's about maximizing the overall talent available and having lineups that work well with Mobley in the mix. You can think about it as Mobley at the SF if you prefer it that way.. doesn't matter. What matters imo is that this lineup will present the team and Mobley with more mismatches. Mobley right now isn't quite confident in his shot, so that lineup will allow him to hunt for more mismatches that he likes and able to play and playmake for more inside either for the Bigs or for shooters (if we have any) when the defense collapses.
 
cavsfever said:
I’m trying to stay optimistic. There were some nice things at the end of last season although it’s hard to tell how much they meant, unless teams are competing for a playoff spot April in the NBA is silly season
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Yes Okoro played a few nice games at the end of the year but keep in mind it was after basically 2 seasons back to back so most teams were resting their players or in tank mode at that time. With that said Okoro is super athletic and possesses a high basketball IQ which you could see when he was playing with all those seniors at Auburn. It was for those reasons I was happy when they drafted him (after of course it became obvious they were not going to consider Haliburton.)

The shine started to wear off real quick when I saw how short he was compared to other NBA wings. For an energy/defensive player he didn't grab any rebounds either which was puzzling. Watching him in summer league this year just confirmed how far off he is in terms of any guard skills. After rewatching last night's game he did look pretty good in the Rubio led offense where all he had to do was stay active and good things did happen. Don't really know where I stand on him anymore...Still kinda down on him tbh. Don't think he's an NBA starter but can be useful if he plays with energy and doesn't just stand in the corner watching the ball. He's definitely not an untouchable although I'm sure the Cavs will give him too many minutes to justify taking him in the lottery.
 
daytripper said:
Yes Okoro played a few nice games at the end of the year but keep in mind it was after basically 2 seasons back to back so most teams were resting their players or in tank mode at that time. With that said Okoro is super athletic and possesses a high basketball IQ which you could see when he was playing with all those seniors at Auburn. It was for those reasons I was happy when they drafted him (after of course it became obvious they were not going to consider Haliburton.)

The shine started to wear off real quick when I saw how short he was compared to other NBA wings. For an energy/defensive player he didn't grab any rebounds either which was puzzling. Watching him in summer league this year just confirmed how far off he is in terms of any guard skills. After rewatching last night's game he did look pretty good in the Rubio led offense where all he had to do was stay active and good things did happen. Don't really know where I stand on him anymore...Still kinda down on him tbh. Don't think he's an NBA starter but can be useful if he plays with energy and doesn't just stand in the corner watching the ball. He's definitely not an untouchable although I'm sure the Cavs will give him too many minutes to justify taking him in the lottery.
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Yeah, he's small for a 3 and doesn't have a 3-point shot. He's fine for a 2 except he doesn't have the ball-handling or shooting skills you want at that position. I still think they should move him there and let him focus on being a shooting guard. Hopefully with a lot of work his shooting will come around; in the meantime he'd be a solid defender and he fits in with the Cavs desire to push the ball up the floor and score in transition.
 
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