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BTW this team is a true SG (with size) away from being a top 6-7 team in the EC
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Game Thread | 2021-22 Season | Game #4 | Cavs @ Nuggets | Oct. 25, 2021
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You meant SF
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Yep all they need is Klay. Unfortunately there aren't alot of those 2 way SG's available.
Next year's draft will have about 5 wing prospects in the 6'-8" range. I'm keeping an eye out for them. Houstan, J. Smith, Baldwin, Dieng, and Adrian Griffin Jr. One of them will be a Cav.
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Prioritizing so much, he gets to ride the bench in crunch time next to everyone's favorite whipping boy.*Rchfld enjoying game threads while skimming past tantrums from fans who realize the organization has already decided on which young guy to prioritize as their starting point guard and which guy they either need to maximize the trade return on or sell on a different role moving forward:
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I agree that they made that decision early in the offseason, and decided to move Sexton and keep Garland. But moving Sexton didn't happen, and we're going to have him for at least a while longer.
The question then becomes whether their respective performances this season -- especially in terms of interacting with the big guys -- could lead to a re-evaluation. If Sexton ends up progressing, and Garland doesn't (and I understand that is a big if), could they reconsider? And is there any chance that Rubio's performance/willingness to stay on might impact that decision?
I just finished watching the highlights for a second time. The lobs, with our height, were fun to watch. Mobley has such a soft (passing) touch for a big. It also seemed like the lobs were at non-traditional angles. I love it!
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Benching Sexton is going to make him improve his game. He is not happy not playing at the end, but just making 3s won't get him in. He needs to be more accountable defensively.
They seem to be struggling with their roles more than anyone else right now. I think how they adjust matters. I have to say. Looking at how Mobley made plays when they were both spaced to the corners, I want them both running the offense through Mobley when Rubio isn't on the floor.
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You missed the key part of that my brotha...
You cant properly evaluate until you put them in their right role. Right now JBB is trying him in a reverse 6th man role. Starting him each night and pulling him without fail at 8 mins for Okoro then we have Okoro closing for defensive purposes (he's really impacted the last two wins majorly in that role). Seems he'd rather be closing games than starting them, so perhaps this is a "prefix" preparing him for the proper role.
Eventually, I'd like to see Okoro starting and Sexton being the first guy off the pine and THEN Sexton based on flow and matchup having the opportunity to close games. As long as you have Garland and Sexton starting next to each other you cant properly assess either of their growth, to me. We know for a fact they wont work together as starters and we're just prolonging the inevitible.
I think it does better for his long term prognosis to stay a Cav, if they rip the bandaid off and put him in the role he should be in without regard for his trade value, honestly. I love the kid and want him here longterm for the right price and in the right role. Grow a pair, and let's do it now.
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I don't have a problem with that at all, but I think you could just as easily argue to start Rubio with Sexton as Okoro and Darius. JB was doing Sexland and Rubio/Okoro when I think splitting them up the other way makes more sense.
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Well yes, but.....
That still doesn't address the specific possibility I mentioned of what happens if Sexton shows progress in terms of distributing the ball/defense, and Garland doesn't. I know your thought was that Garland's natural aggressiveness will come through the less he plays with Sexton, and there are going to be a lot more of those minutes now that JBB is shuffling rotations. And that may very well happen. But what if it doesn't?
I can't buy that they are absolutely wedded to Garland as a starter and Sexton gone or 6th man come hell or high water. I think how each of them plays this season can still impact the final decision. Heck, what they get offered in trade for each guy could impact that final decision.
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We're trying to run an actual NBA caliber offense this year. The fact that Sexton has only taken 17FGA at the rim over four games tells you as much. This is the first year since LBJ left that our offense has been more complicated than Garland or Sexton beats their man of the dribble and we play off of that action.
Both Allen and Love were shooting at really high efficiency last night. It just seems to me that feeding the guys who are hot is exactly what you want your PG to do first, and then after the other team has adjusted their defense to try to shut that down, is when you need your PG to try to play make more. Taking what the defense gives you is what smart/players teams do and the Cavs have played anything other than smart basketball over the last three years.
I don't want Garland being more aggressive just for the sake of being aggressive. I want teams worried about him passing first, especially if he's on the floor with Mobley, Sexton, Allen, an Lauri. When opposing teams start overplaying the passing lanes and/or leaving Garland's defender on an island, that's when he can go to work.
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Oh... you're still hoping Sexton will develop as a primary ball handler/distributor? I didn't know we were restarting this.
I don't believe it's just Garland who's aggressiveness/assertiveness will increase while not having to cover for the mental lapses and score first minded approach that Collin still has, I believe Okoro will as well. I love that Collin is trying to recalculate his approach to be more inclusive to the other players on the floor with him and not just using the other 4 players to get better shots, but I don't believe the kind of feel and understanding of how to do this for the other four players on the floor both offensively and defensively that both Rubio and Garland (while not physically strong enough yet to do it at defensively Rubio's level) possess is something you can develop. I believe you have it or your dont and that it's innate. Nash, CP3, Kidd, Strickland, Mark Jackson... Garland possesses that as a IQ trait in the same way Mobley has a defensive patience and positional spacing awareness that premiere defenders like Rodman & KG had and offensive awareness and passing IQ that bigs like Daugherty, Sabonis, Webber had, and Okoro has a spacing, angles and awareness of how to use his strength and physicality when it comes to guarding smaller perimeter guys that guys like Bowen, Tony Allen, Jrue Holiday, Nate McMillan and Gary Payton had innately.
Collin has a scoring mindset, and he's goddamn good at it and it's innate and should be harnessed so that he plays with it under control but not reprogrammed to be something entirely different from what he naturally is or innately does just like those guys above with their innate skills/abilities.
Whether he was pitted against Garland or some other PG, Collin Sexton would still be at a disadvantage on any team with any roster where he was being asked to do or be something he's not wired to do. Full Stop on that, please adjust your expectations and hopes to accept this Tip. (I mean this sincerely)
Instead, my hope is that Rubio continues mentoring Sexton on how to play a balanced floor game as a SG who does not step on his PG's toes (I'm watching him do this LITERALLY nightly and I love it), and Rubio continues mentoring Garland and schooling him in practice on how best to keep the ball moving and create opportunities for others without pounding the ball and looking for "perfect assist to basket" opportunities.
I don't believe Rubio should impact what we do long term with either Collin or Darius, as that would be very short sighted.
And I also dont believe we're still debating the best course for how to maximize these players innate abilities and skillsets moving forward.
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The additions of Mobley, Rubio and Markk along with the return of Love to a useful role has completely altered our tram on both ends of the floor. Allen is clearly working well with this group. That in turn completely changes what is needed and expected from SexLand and Okoro.
Of the three, Okoro is probably in the most secure place because his defensive ability fits in well with the new guys, especially since he isn’t being asked to play as many minutes and, more importantly, doesn‘t always guard the opponent’s best wing or guard.
Both Garland and Sexton have had to alter their games as a result. This is a good thing, as they no longer have to carry so much of the offensive load, but they have to unlearn the past few shitshow years and learn how to play in a more team-oriented approach.
We don’t know how they will do in this new environment. It will take time to see how well they adjust and how the team evolves. Obviously at some point we’ll be making a trade or two for roster refinement, but until we have more time to evaluate everyone and see what trade options are out there it’s premature to pull the trigger on anything (unless a Godfather offer comes our way).
December 15 opens up more options of course, so I would think nothing happens until then. We can enjoy the development of this team in the meantime as we all figure out what’s the best path forward.
Of the three, Okoro is probably in the most secure place because his defensive ability fits in well with the new guys, especially since he isn’t being asked to play as many minutes and, more importantly, doesn‘t always guard the opponent’s best wing or guard.
Both Garland and Sexton have had to alter their games as a result. This is a good thing, as they no longer have to carry so much of the offensive load, but they have to unlearn the past few shitshow years and learn how to play in a more team-oriented approach.
We don’t know how they will do in this new environment. It will take time to see how well they adjust and how the team evolves. Obviously at some point we’ll be making a trade or two for roster refinement, but until we have more time to evaluate everyone and see what trade options are out there it’s premature to pull the trigger on anything (unless a Godfather offer comes our way).
December 15 opens up more options of course, so I would think nothing happens until then. We can enjoy the development of this team in the meantime as we all figure out what’s the best path forward.
My thoughts exactly. I liked when JBB subbed Okoro in for Sexton fairly early (less than five min into the game IIRC), but didn't care for his decision to sub Rubio in for Garland the very next whistle.
If he really wanted to limit Garland's minutes because of the sprained ankle, then I'd rather he leave Sexton in and make an early sub of Rubio for Garland. Backcourt combinations of Rubio/Sexton and Garland/Okoro make the most sense to me.
Rubio/Okoro doesn't do anything to stretch the floor and likely forces us to pull Allen off the floor in favor of a shooter like Love.