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2021-2022 Cavaliers General Discussion: Trade Deadline Edition

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Who Should the Cavs Trade For?

  • Murray

    Votes: 18 37.5%

  • Lavert

    Votes: 17 35.4%

  • White

    Votes: 1 2.1%

  • Seth Curry

    Votes: 1 2.1%

  • Schroeder

    Votes: 7 14.6%

  • Tatum

    Votes: 3 6.3%

  • Hart

    Votes: 3 6.3%

  • Ingram

    Votes: 1 2.1%

  • Brown

    Votes: 2 4.2%

  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 9 18.8%
  • Total voters
    48
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I get that folks are frustrated with Okoro's shot not falling, and frankly I'm not sure the Cavs having him focus on him becoming a secondary ball handler in Summer League (versus go home and take 200 three point shots a day) was the right call. But, his defense is really good and if you pull him off the court, you're going to have a far inferior defender guarding the other team's best scorer. That's an option when Allen and Mobley are out there. It's not really an option with them out.
 
Ozone said:
when guard is shooting an inefficient % aka his point total is never much different than his shot attempt total he is a chucker and nobody is going to defend that all game unless he is making open looks at a higher rate from the jump. He had done that better when he picked his spots in a less attempt role but the Cavs always needed him taking more and now that Sexton is out they demand it. Problem is he is missing wide open shots now as much as contested one's . Pretty soon they will just play off him and make him pass which makes him nothing more than the table setter he has been until this season.
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Except this does not describe Garland at all. He is at 17.8 ppg on 14.2 FGA so 1.25 PPA which is not bad at all. While I would love for his FT rate to be higher, he is not an ineffecient chucker, and until Mobley and Allen get back, our most consistent offensive option.

And the above discussion completely ignores the part where he has been a consistent top 15 shot creator this year.
 
Ohioplayer00 said:
Those players couldn’t be tripled team back in the day because zone defenses weren’t allowed. I’m not discounting Curry’s greatest (without a doubt the greatest shooter every to play the game) I’m just saying that with how the physicality has been taken out of today’s game and moving screens are rarely called it makes it easier for him to get to his spots on the floor.
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I also wouldnt bother triple teaming a guy who was 2nd in the league at 3pt% with a scorching hot 28%. The game was different then. No one besides Levern Tart gave a crap about threes because the play was to throw it into your big and go for slow inefficient offense. I think the removal of physicality has overall been a very good thing for the speed and health of the game
 
Kouki said:
Of course they are fouls. It's the first definition of foul in the rulebook. Eg 1.A under fouls.



Other teams do this, typical veteran teams.
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But that is the definition of a foul on a defensive player, not the one on offense right?
 
Now that Sexton is down , I wonder what/if Altman is going to do about the SG spot. Or is JB going to rotate players in there?
 
foucault87 said:
Except this does not describe Garland at all. He is at 17.8 ppg on 14.2 FGA so 1.25 PPA which is not bad at all. While I would love for his FT rate to be higher, he is not an ineffecient chucker, and until Mobley and Allen get back, our most consistent offensive option.

And the above discussion completely ignores the part where he has been a consistent top 15 shot creator this year.
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Chucker does describe him in a larger usage role the past couple games which is the tell and without his usual outlets in the paint to dump off to as I expected . He is not efficient at all in the past couple as a primary option scorer. It is not the end of the world and his % have been ok on lesser attempts earlier in the season and he has already proven to be a solid table setter with a timely albeit occasional dagger. His game is never going to be one where he is a high volume shooter with any efficiency imo.
 
Green Lantern said:
Now that Sexton is down , I wonder what/if Altman is going to do about the SG spot. Or is JB going to rotate players in there?
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they will just ride the core into the ground probably and tbh I hope they do so they can either prove they got more in the tank or need to be replaced. The season isn't lost but the odds of playing any meaningful post season games besides losing the play in are slim at this point especially if they opt to flip RR which will likely be his hope if not theirs
 
foucault87 said:
I also wouldnt bother triple teaming a guy who was 2nd in the league at 3pt% with a scorching hot 28%. The game was different then. No one besides Levern Tart gave a crap about threes because the play was to throw it into your big and go for slow inefficient offense. I think the removal of physicality has overall been a very good thing for the speed and health of the game
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Not sure what player (s) you are talking about shooting 28% from three point land but Pete didn’t have the benefit of a three point line. If he had he would have been averaging way over today’s league average. Today’s three point line was Pete’s regular jump shot range. And with the exception of his jump shot Curry can’t hold Zeke’s jock strap as a scorer.
 
Ohioplayer00 said:
Not sure what player (s) you are talking about shooting 28% from three point land but Pete didn’t have the benefit of a three point line. If he had he would have been averaging way over today’s league average. Today’s three point line was Pete’s regular jump shot range. And with the exception of his jump shot Curry can’t hold Zeke’s jock strap as a scorer.
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Thomas in 83 was 2nd in 3pt% at 28%. I have only seen both players in highlight vids but saying Steph is a worse scorer than them is like saying Shaq is worse than Wilt. Skill creep means recent players will always have a significant advantage over older stars. Pete was notable for having a negative offensive impact on his team even if his individual numbers were impressive, arguably one of the most overrated players of all time.
 
Ozone said:
they will just ride the core into the ground probably and tbh I hope they do so they can either prove they got more in the tank or need to be replaced. The season isn't lost but the odds of playing any meaningful post season games besides losing the play in are slim at this point especially if they opt to flip RR which will likely be his hope if not theirs
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I could be wrong but now with that injury and Sexton is out , I have my doubts they will trade Rubio and shrink the guard spot even more. But its way to early to project.
 
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