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Hell Freezes Over: Welcome Deshaun Watson

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aldamon said:
I originally had a long answer to this, but in the spirit of not beating dead horse, I'll just say I don't think that's even a question. Stefanski can blow the dust off 75% of his playbook now. We might even get two halves of offense every Sunday.
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I’d actually be interested to read that post, in case you decide to revive it. I’m curious to see what new elements might be in the playbook every Sunday.
 
Modest Mouse said:
Appreciate the insight. The bit about Berry being a low quality human being is interesting. Is this a conclusion based on his full court press to acquire Watson, or is there more to it from what you’ve heard?
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It’s really based on some of the planning discussions led by Berry and Haslam my people were privy too. Plenty of people tried to talk them out of it. Their responses that I won’t go into because I can’t helped me draw the conclusion.
 
Real Deal said:
If this move upsets you, it's pretty simple, you don't have to come here and talk about it. We seriously should police this as we do with politics. I don't want to come here reading a thread getting derailed, or things leading to personal attacks, and so on. I get it's a very tense discussion. As people we don't need to read about someone hoping for a career ending injury, that can lead to serious shit like infections on their injury, lose a limb, depression, addiction, death. Just say season ending injury if you want to be that guy.

You can still be a fan in different ways. You can cheer and support 52 other players.

Idk, I just know that the Baker thread drained me day and night, and I definitely dont want to be drained with the Deshaun saga when he's not a rapist, not a murderer, is his name attached to something bad? Sure. But I trust in Berry, Depodesta, Jimmy, and Stefanski.

RCF is our happy place as fans. Gotta keep it that way.
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At this point I agree. We know the accusations are gross and the likelihood he did this is probable.

I’m hear to talk about what we need to do to continue to get better to win the Super Bowl.
 
Berry has been a fan of Watson since he came out of Clemson. Rumor is he was part of the Browns contingent that wanted to draft Watson at 12 and not trade down. Since then he's been watching "his guy" tear it up and wishing he was doing it for his team. Its been pretty widely reported that Berry has long admired Watson's game from afar. Once he became available to trade for, I'm guessing Berry wanted him so bad that nothing was going to stop him, right or wrong. And it goes without saying that Haslam was fully on board :chuckle:
 
CBBI said:
I mean financially it's 100% factual he came out he came out much better.
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I just want to point out that is only true at this snapshot in time - before all the sexual harassment cases go to trial and any damages are awarded. Lawyers will be permitted to point to his huge new contract and argue for punitive damages to ensure he doesn't get "rewarded" for his actions.

I'd personally trust juries to sift through all the evidence and punish him appropriately more so than I would trust fandom in general.
 
InBoobieWeTrust said:
It’s really based on some of the planning discussions led by Berry and Haslam my people were privy too. Plenty of people tried to talk them out of it. Their responses that I won’t go into because I can’t helped me draw the conclusion.
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Got it, thanks.
 
Again.. Where was all this outrage when they put up a statue of Jim Brown. Just saying...

The NFL is and always will have a ton of scum bags.. fuck the MLB has a ton also.

Kinda just shows you how far the NBA has come ...
 
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The Human Q-Tip said:
I just want to point out that is only true at this snapshot in time - before all the sexual harassment cases go to trial and any damages are awarded. Lawyers will be permitted to point to his huge new contract and argue for punitive damages to ensure he doesn't get "rewarded" for his actions.

I'd personally trust juries to sift through all the evidence and punish him appropriately more so than I would trust fandom in general.
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Right the guaranteed money is figure they can point to that he can appropriately pay for the damages they award. He could have his wages garnished. In the end, he could end up poor by NFL standards. That could be an annoyance to him going forward because he might not be able to keep up financially with the other big name players and will have to either explain why or look like a cheapskate. That could be a distraction and mess with his play on the field.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
I disagree also.

You're seeing it that way only because you are so wedded to your own perspective as being indisputably true that you think others must secretly know that you are right also, and therefore must be "embarrassed" at their own opinions. But that's not correct.

Your same logic could be applied to the Kaepernick situation, and someone could say "the only reason you don't want to discuss is it because you don't be reminded that "he hates America"/"America is racist" (depending on your point of view).

The reality is that many posters don't want to discuss these kind of topics in these threads because those discussions end up having nothing to do with football, tempers get hot, people get highly offended, and it becomes a shitstorm.

It has nothing to do with posters being embarrassed about their allegedly "scummy" opinions.
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The problem I have with this particular argument is that these same posters are willing to look past many other non-football topics in any given thread without an outcry for some type of separation. Not just the Browns section, but this entire forum is full of debate that is completely off topic from the pure X's and O's of that particular thread title.

I stand by my opinion that people are uncomfortable seeing this particular discussion because it is a reminder that they're willing to cheer for him despite his personal transgressions.

I think you're right, though, that I may have unfairly lumped some posters in the wrong category and I should be less absolutist at times.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
I disagree also.

You're seeing it that way only because you are so wedded to your own perspective as being indisputably true that you think others must secretly know that you are right also, and therefore must be "embarrassed" at their own opinions. But that's not correct.

Your same logic could be applied to the Kaepernick situation, and someone could say "the only reason you don't want to discuss is it because you don't be reminded that "he hates America"/"America is racist" (depending on your point of view).

The reality is that many posters don't want to discuss these kind of topics in these threads because those discussions end up having nothing to do with football, tempers get hot, people get highly offended, and it becomes a shitstorm.

It has nothing to do with posters being embarrassed about their allegedly "scummy" opinions.
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Nailed it.
 
ClevelandOwnz said:
Again.. Where was all this outrage when they put up a statue of Jim Brown. Just saying...

The NFL is and always will have a ton of scum bags.. fuck the MLB has a ton also.

Kinda just shows you how far the NBA has come ...
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I would be willing to bet a lot of casual Browns fans do not know about Jim Brown's checkered past and know little about it about him. What he did was like 60 years ago. Right or wrong, I am a Browns fan and will remain one even though I am very conflicted over this. The press conference/introduction with Watson is going to be a good one...Hasn't he been out of the media/public for over a year?
 
InBoobieWeTrust said:
This was a controversial move but the guys in decision making positions care about one thing: winning football games. Quite frankly Jimmy Haslam and Andrew Berry are pretty callous and low quality human beings. But they might have just landed what they need to fucking win, and they’re betting that winning will cure everything…
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This presents an interesting tangent I wouldn't mind focusing on. Up to the 11th hour, when the Browns had egg all over their face and our QB situation was looking volatile and untenable, the presumption thrown around by many was that the pursuit of Watson was purely a Haslam move, and not something that AB and KS were in step with. The ostensible lack of a back-up plan would seem to lend credence to this notion.

Based on what you've heard, can you confirm that the need to get Watson was a vision they all shared? I always figured that Berry's gargantuan acumen wouldn't preclude him from seeing what a momentous FOOTBALL opportunity it was, PR nightmare be damned.
 
Scrote Squad said:
The problem I have with this particular argument is that these same posters are willing to look past many other non-football topics in any given thread without an outcry for some type of separation. Not just the Browns section, but this entire forum is full of debate that is completely off topic from the pure X's and O's of that particular thread title.

I stand by my opinion that people are uncomfortable seeing this particular discussion because it is a reminder that they're willing to cheer for him despite his personal transgressions.

I think you're right, though, that I may have unfairly lumped some posters in the wrong category and I should be less absolutist at times.
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People go off topic in every thread. But this is something much larger in scope. I've had to get bogged down and wade through pages of unrelated posts to a topic where I was looking for something specific that actually belonged in that thread, and I never like it... although a few posts or even pages can be easily scrolled past.

In my house I put bedroom stuff in the bedroom, kitchen stuff in the kitchen, bathroom stuff in the bathroom. I put shirts in one drawer, pants in another. That's all this is to me. In here I want some reasonable level of organization so I can delve in where I want, stay out of where I want, depending on my area of interest at any particular moment. Otherwise it's chaos.

There's going to be a large volume of comments in both on field and off field topics, to me it makes sense to separate. I think it actually does more justice to the anti-Watson position to be able to air it out without the clutter of football focused comments.
 
selby56 said:
The fact of the matter is some fans are having a hard time coming to terms with Watson as the face of the Browns, myself included. They have a right to express their displeasure with the move, just like everyone has the right to express their displeasure with whatever free agent signing or draft pick the Browns make. My intention was never to get into the weeds with all the legal details, but to simply make it known I do not support Watson as a person.

I don’t have issue with anyone who is able to separate the sports stuff and personal stuff. Ultimately all of us love the Browns and want them to succeed. But for me personally I think it sucks the face of my favorite sports franchise has someone with these type of allegations. I’m heated about it now because it is fresh, I had to vent a little. I would guess as time passes I’ll be more at peace with the move. However, his allegations will be in the back of my mind as long as he is on the roster.

Players, coaches, owners. They come and go. The one constant is the Cleveland Browns. I will always support my city and the football team that represents it, even if I don’t support every individual in the organization. Just my early morning thoughts.
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I have separated the player from the person some, but I am with you. If he didnt have the issues, this was a huge win, huge upgraded, the money will work itself out with increased revenue, and 3 firsts is what a top 7 QB costs.

But i hate the person, and that is hard for me. I will get over it if we make the playoffs every year and even make a championship run or three, but stil hard for me because he for sure is an asshole.
 
Mr. Orange said:
Just to have the facts straight.

Only 2 of the 22 women claimed sexual assault. One that he coerced or persuaded her to give him oral sex (not forced) and one that he got handsy and grabbed at her butt and groin area (a clumsy pass if you will).

So let’s just be factual. The other 20 are some varying degree of sexually suggestive comments.

Again, I am not condoning his behaviors, but no one has accused him of forcibly raping them.

Now, I also am aware that men in power can abuse that power. It seems to me that DeShaun likes to get happy endings, and he probably found some massage therapists would do that. And he clearly took this way too far, attempting to signal that he was open to this.

Kobe and Ben forcibly raped women. That is not what DW is being accused of. Yeah he is a creep like Robert Kraft, but this is really in between Kraft and Ben/Kobe. I
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Still allot closer to Ben Rothlisberger than Drew Brees on the moral compass. But no, not as bad as Ben, but I want to be better than that...oh well, such is life.
 
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