bob2the2nd
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You are right I missed Johnson.A few points
No, it's not only Stafford. Off the top of my head Jalen Ramsey and Keyshawn Johnson were traded for multiple 1sts and won Super Bowls with the team that acquired them
If you're going to say it is "Super Bowl or Bust", I think including "any player" like a Jamal Adams or Khalil Mack has to change the expectations. The Adams trade is a massive bust but I think the Khalil Mack trade was overall good. We know a franchise QB is the ultimate difference maker. If you want to make this argument, think it should be only focused on QBs. And namely ones that has some sort of established base level (disqualifying an unknown commodity, like a Trey Lance)
So if we only focus on veteran/established QBs traded for multiple 1st round picks, we get the below. Apologies if I missed any
-1972 Roman Gabriel. Rams to Eagles. Noting the Eagles were a 2-11-1 team when trading for Gabriel
-1975 John Hadl. Rams to Packers. Hadl was 34 and is apparently deemed one of the worst trades in NFL history
-1976. Jim Plunkett. Patriots to 49ers. 5 pretty mediocre seasons with NE prior to being traded, likely living off his college name. 2 more mediocre seasons with 49ers before ultimately being released. Goes to Raiders and win 2 Super Bowls
-1994. Jeff George. Colts to Falcons. 41 TD to 46 INT prior to being traded to Atlanta.
-2009 Jay Cutler. Broncos to Bears. 1 playoff appearance in 8 seasons. Not great
-2021. Matt Stafford. Lions to Rams. Super Bowl Year 1
I think Stafford is the only guy here who measures up to Watson's talent and what he's shown in the NFL thus far. Maybe you argue Cutler who was coming off a Pro Bowl season prior to being traded to Chicago
However you are ignoring the fact that it's not just that teams typically don't trade their starting QBs. It's also that team don't trade multiple first round picks (well besides the current rams). I got jumped all over this post (as I knew I would) but if any number of things happen to waston to include injury/suspension/sucking this goes down a franchise crippling trade. There is a reason teams don't make these sorts of trades from both sides.
There are several posters saying "we shouldn't judge the success of this trade based on if the browns win a Superbowl" which woo boy. I don't know the mental gymnastics needed on that one. You already have a playoff team and you trade 3 first rounders+ and give 200 million guaranteed money to a QB and say "hey the goal isnt to win a Superbowl".