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Cavaliers Trade Ideas: 2022-23 regular season edition

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Love+Cedi for Luka + 2 1sts (unprotected) + 2 swaps
 
CavsKermit said:
There no chance, none, I'd attach a first to Love to turn him into Barnes. Also, that stat muse snippets are really misleading. A player's defense rating over the course of his career tells you very little without knowing the defensive ratings of the teams he's on. Barnes, for example, was on the pre-Durant Warriors who were a really good defensive team.
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teh cavs are a really good defensive team....i wuold think there is a very good chance that harrison could put up the same defensive rating for the cavs as he had for gsw....look at sabonis....a perrenial sub 110.....plays 25 percent of his games for sac last year.....finishes wiht a 113......back of the napkin if he was doing 109 with the cavs last year then maybe hes close to 117 wiht his time in sac.
 
foucault87 said:
Love for Harrison and a first id have to think about but I'm not giving up assets for a rich mans Travis Outlaw
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so the cavs give a 1st for injury-prone lavert for essentially a one year deal but they dont give up a first for harrison?.....and the outlaw comparison is just terrible...lazy.

over the last three years barnes gives you 4.5 attempts at close to 40 percent at the 3....outlaw never shot the 3 let alone being anywhere near 40 percent...and even his career 33 is because other teams gave him free looks in additionto tha numbers being inflated as tehy are bench minutes...nobody gives barnes freebies. and his numbers are as a strter

i have absolutely no idea whatsoever how anyone puts outlaws name next to barnes...

im looking at barnes and if hes 230-235....wiht his stellar health....i give him 2 more at 30 and with lauri teh cavs are done at teh three for teh next three years....regardless if its lauri or harrsion coming off teh bench in year three....barnes is still going to give you 28 to loves 15 this year

its not hard to grasp this...its not hard at all.
 
foucault87 said:
Love+Cedi for Luka + 2 1sts (unprotected) + 2 swaps
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Hard NO from the Cavs. Cedi is valued much higher around the league. Throw in two more unprotected FRPs, and the needle might move.

On a serious note,
would it make sense for the Cavs to move a few SGs for a salary dump and picks? Like, Sexton (S&T @ 16 MPY), Okoro, and Cedi for Gordon Hayward and draft compensation (at least one FRP, may be the 2023 FRP CHA has via DEN)?

We will still have LeVert and Ochai (and Dylan) as our SG, and Gordon can be back-up SF.
 
gambler said:
teh cavs are a really good defensive team....i wuold think there is a very good chance that harrison could put up the same defensive rating for the cavs as he had for gsw....look at sabonis....a perrenial sub 110.....plays 25 percent of his games for sac last year.....finishes wiht a 113......back of the napkin if he was doing 109 with the cavs last year then maybe hes close to 117 wiht his time in sac.
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That's correct. The Cavs are really good defensive team that struggles with spacing offensively. This is why substituting Barnes for Lauri in the starting lineup is questionable, and why providing a first for the privilege is just foolish.
 
gambler said:
so the cavs give a 1st for injury-prone lavert for essentially a one year deal but they dont give up a first for harrison?.....and the outlaw comparison is just terrible...lazy.

over the last three years barnes gives you 4.5 attempts at close to 40 percent at the 3....outlaw never shot the 3 let alone being anywhere near 40 percent...and even his career 33 is because other teams gave him free looks in additionto tha numbers being inflated as tehy are bench minutes...nobody gives barnes freebies. and his numbers are as a strter

i have absolutely no idea whatsoever how anyone puts outlaws name next to barnes...

im looking at barnes and if hes 230-235....wiht his stellar health....i give him 2 more at 30 and with lauri teh cavs are done at teh three for teh next three years....regardless if its lauri or harrsion coming off teh bench in year three....barnes is still going to give you 28 to loves 15 this year

its not hard to grasp this...its not hard at all.
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I just don’t see Barnes as being any type of an upgrade over Love or Lauri. Barnes likely isn’t getting more than 25 min if he comes here. Love is a better shooter and rebounder and has the ability to bury teams quickly if he gets hot from three.

I think the only move that really makes sense is trading LeVert for Barnes IF we are resigning Sexton. Both guys are on expiring deals so neither side is taking on money. Something like:

LeVert + Cedi + 2nd for Barnes + Terrance Davis.

That makes sense to me for both sides and clears $4M off the Cavs cap. Then if they dumped Windler into cap space they free up a roster spot and have plenty of room to sign Sexton to a reasonable deal without going over the tax line.

Anyway, I don’t think swapping Barnes for Love or Lauri changes much of anything. Adding him to the bench as the backup SF would definitely be a big upgrade though.
 
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Vipra said:
Hard NO from the Cavs. Cedi is valued much higher around the league. Throw in two more unprotected FRPs, and the needle might move.

On a serious note,
would it make sense for the Cavs to move a few SGs for a salary dump and picks? Like, Sexton (S&T @ 16 MPY), Okoro, and Cedi for Gordon Hayward and draft compensation (at least one FRP, may be the 2023 FRP CHA has via DEN)?

We will still have LeVert and Ochai (and Dylan) as our SG, and Gordon can be back-up SF.
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I like the general idea but id prefer to keep Okoro. Hes an 8th man level guy at minimum and too young for us to be looking to just salary dump him at this point.

Also not sure hayward is the best target. Hes too injury prone for my liking but the skillset is good
 
gambler said:
so the cavs give a 1st for injury-prone lavert for essentially a one year deal but they dont give up a first for harrison?.....and the outlaw comparison is just terrible...lazy.

over the last three years barnes gives you 4.5 attempts at close to 40 percent at the 3....outlaw never shot the 3 let alone being anywhere near 40 percent...and even his career 33 is because other teams gave him free looks in additionto tha numbers being inflated as tehy are bench minutes...nobody gives barnes freebies. and his numbers are as a strter

i have absolutely no idea whatsoever how anyone puts outlaws name next to barnes...

im looking at barnes and if hes 230-235....wiht his stellar health....i give him 2 more at 30 and with lauri teh cavs are done at teh three for teh next three years....regardless if its lauri or harrsion coming off teh bench in year three....barnes is still going to give you 28 to loves 15 this year

its not hard to grasp this...its not hard at all.
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@Bob_The_Cat's post summarizes most of my thoughts but you are way overating Harrison Barnes. You know the same guy we left wide open during the 2016 Finals?

He is a decent shooter but is a very limited playmaker compared to Love or LeVert. He is hard to fit defensively too. Hes too slow to defend guards on the switch and faster wings. He does okay against bigger wings but I am not convinced he is better there than Lauri.

Hes really lost a step over the last couple years and has never been good at taking advantage of his athleticism. Im not surr his game ages as well as you think.

Id love him as a bench guy for us but hes not worth more than salary
 
Bob_The_Cat said:
I just don’t see Barnes as being any type of an upgrade over Love or Lauri. Barnes likely isn’t getting more than 25 min if he comes here. Love is a better shooter and rebounder and has the ability to bury teams quickly if he gets hot from three.

I think the only move that really makes sense is trading LeVert for Barnes IF we are resigning Sexton. Both guys are on expiring deals so neither side is taking on money. Something like:

LeVert + Cedi + 2nd for Barnes + Terrance Davis.

That makes sense to me for both sides and clears $4M off the Cavs cap. Then if they dumped Windler into cap space they free up a roster spot and have plenty of room to sign Sexton to a reasonable deal without going over the tax line.

Anyway, I don’t think swapping Barnes for Love or Lauri changes much of anything. Adding him to the bench as the backup SF would definitely be a big upgrade though.
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imo, you cant win with okoro at the three...so barnes or lauri starting....i could care less....semantics.....myb lauri has better footwork and plays the quicker guys and barnes plays the bigger and slower ...a 6 fut 4, 6 fut 7 wingspan dude playing 15-20 at the three is not an ecf team especially if you got two 6 footers at the 1 and 2....regardless this shit is fixable right now......not so during the playoffs
 
gambler said:
imo, you cant win with okoro at the three...so barnes or lauri starting....i could care less....semantics.....myb lauri has better footwork and plays the quicker guys and barnes plays the bigger and slower ...a 6 fut 4, 6 fut 7 wingspan dude playing 15-20 at the three is not an ecf team especially if you got two 6 footers at the 1 and 2....regardless this shit is fixable right now......not so during the playoffs
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These are all problems yes, but trading Love for Barnes does not solve them in anyway. It opens up some holes if anything. There are a few other teams that can outbid us and likely will, but thats a discussion for another time.
 
foucault87 said:
@Bob_The_Cat's post summarizes most of my thoughts but you are way overating Harrison Barnes. You know the same guy we left wide open during the 2016 Finals?

He is a decent shooter but is a very limited playmaker compared to Love or LeVert. He is hard to fit defensively too. Hes too slow to defend guards on the switch and faster wings. He does okay against bigger wings but I am not convinced he is better there than Lauri.

Hes really lost a step over the last couple years and has never been good at taking advantage of his athleticism. Im not surr his game ages as well as you think.

Id love him as a bench guy for us but hes not worth more than salary
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so he had a bad series agaisnt prime lebron?......hes not a 1 or 2.....hes a possible 3 or 4 this year....garland, sexton, mobely(a lot of people are very big on his upside), allen, (pik and roll), lavert......there are a lot of people that can score here.....collectively...even lauri playing minutes at the 4 while harrison is at the 3 or vice versa...
 
foucault87 said:
These are all problems yes, but trading Love for Barnes does not solve them in anyway. It opens up some holes if anything. There are a few other teams that can outbid us and likely will, but thats a discussion for another time.
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in all likelihood the only door here is one that is giong to get closed......the possiblity if not probability of a love injury as opposed to a healthy barnes come the playoffs

how good were prime bill lambier and ac green?.....they were great when you take into consideration they were fukn iron
 
gambler said:
so he had a bad series agaisnt prime lebron?......hes not a 1 or 2.....hes a possible 3 or 4 this year....garland, sexton, mobely(a lot of people are very big on his upside), allen, (pik and roll), lavert......there are a lot of people that can score here.....collectively...even lauri playing minutes at the 4 while harrison is at the 3 or vice versa...
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He got cooked by LeBron, JR, Kyrie and everyone in between. I am not blaming him for that, but Harrison Barnes is not some forgotten star. He is a solid starter and thats it. He is not so good that you need to be spending a lot of assets on him. A first and a 6moty candidate is way too much.

I also thinks its been said several times, Harrison is not a 3. He may play spot minutes there, but he is less of a 3 than Lauri or even someone like Tobi. At this point in his career, he is a stretch 4, sometimes microball 5.

gambler said:
in all likelihood the only door here is one that is giong to get closed......the possiblity if not probability of a love injury as opposed to a healthy barnes come the playoffs

how good were prime bill lambier and ac green?.....they were great when you take into consideration they were fukn iron
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Love has way more upside than Barnes tho. I mean they guy was an all nba level player on a per possession basis last year. Kevin Love can get hot and single handedly win me a game or two. I don't trust Barnes to do that.

Staying healthy is a skill, but its not going to elevate a decent role player to star status all of a sudden the way you seem to think
 
If Harrison Barnes was a spot on a Bingo board, id have won over a dozen times this week...

If reading his name was a drinking game, id have to spend the rest of my life in rehab...

What the hell is it about this guy?
 
gambler said:
imo, you cant win with okoro at the three...so barnes or lauri starting....i could care less....semantics.....myb lauri has better footwork and plays the quicker guys and barnes plays the bigger and slower ...a 6 fut 4, 6 fut 7 wingspan dude playing 15-20 at the three is not an ecf team especially if you got two 6 footers at the 1 and 2....regardless this shit is fixable right now......not so during the playoffs
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No one’s talking about playing Okoro at SF. Not sure where that came from. I would expect all the SF minutes to get eaten up by a combination of Lauri, LeVert, Agjabi, Cedi, Wade and Stevens, with Lauri and LeVert talking the bulk of the minutes.

Barnes just isn’t the answer to any problem with this team, and I don’t get the obsession with the guy. If he was on a decent team he’d be a full time bench player. Not hating on the guy, as I said he’d be a nice player to have off the bench if he cost next to nothing, it he doesn’t solve probably the biggest hole on the roster which is a legitimate defensive presence at SF. We’re just better waiting to see what teams wind up as sellers at the deadline and go from there.
 
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