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2023 Guardians Offseason Thread!

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How Do You Feel About the 2022 Season?

  • Ended too soon!

    Votes: 8 8.9%
  • Great job! The Boys did good!

    Votes: 45 50.0%
  • Good start and promising future

    Votes: 26 28.9%
  • Lousy Bums choked!

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • Meh, regression coming

    Votes: 3 3.3%
  • Gonna go all the way next year!

    Votes: 2 2.2%
  • Herbert Perry

    Votes: 5 5.6%

  • Total voters
    90
In a league full of second chance, perhaps the factor is how his teammates, team personnel and his off the field actions have allowed them to formulate an opinion that he’s really just not a worthwhile reason to treat him?

The issue here isn't the fact Bauer was suspended, it was the fact Bauer's suspension was excessively longer than those with worse offenses. He didn't even get indicted on a charge yet got a longer suspension than someone that got indicted on a charge for domestic violence...

Manfred seriously added more games because he hates the guy and that's a serious problem since he wasn't being objective in this situation. You cannot suspend someone extra because you don't like them and that's what he did. He will appeal and likely get reinstated way before his suspension ends.
 
Manfred hates the guy...
Can we keep Bauer conversation in the political or ex-Guardian sections and talk Guard here. We are not getting him back.

And, you cannot compare Bauer to others and the atmosphere has changed due to MeToo. And, the press that ESPN would give his appeal getting reversed would be worse than Watson getting 8-games especially if he came to Cleveland and had a photo op with Watson as Cleveland sports heroes.
 
Can we keep Bauer conversation in the political or ex-Guardian sections and talk Guard here. We are not getting him back.

And, you cannot compare Bauer to others and the atmosphere has changed due to MeToo. And, the press that ESPN would give his appeal getting reversed would be worse than Watson getting 8-games especially if he came to Cleveland and had a photo op with Watson as Cleveland sports heroes.

Yay or nay on Bauer if he signs a league minimum deal? Cleveland uses a lot of his training programs still...

And you probably aren't wrong since it will get off track...
 
As for Guardians, here is FG Zip write-up

"There’s a limit on how bad a bullpen can be when Emmanuel Clase is the guy getting the highest-leverage innings. ZiPS basically thinks he has a good shot to be the best reliever of this generation, though with any pitcher, health is always going to be that hidden X factor. And luckily for the Guardians, the bullpen isn’t bad after Clase. Sam Hentges gets an excellent projection, and ZiPS is as high on James Karinchak about as much as possible for a guy who walks as many batters as he does. ZiPS doesn’t start to feel uneasy until you get to the very end of the bullpen."

Cle = 42.2 Total Zip War
Min = 37.1 (but both Min and Chi were calculated before the Benintendi and Gallo moves so add 2 more wins about to each)
Chi = 35.9
 
Yay or nay on Bauer if he signs a league minimum deal? Cleveland uses a lot of his training programs still...

And you probably aren't wrong since it will get off track...

Ain't happening as they traded him for throwing a ball into the bleachers. This doesn't even compare. And, with all the money going around, someone will be stupid enough to give him a boatload as Browns did Watson -- only to have him be put under the microscope. Watson seems to be taking the press in stride. Do you think Bauer can when he flips out on twitter over a teenager girl insulting him?
 
Isn’t happening because he’s a loser of a human being who attempted to spin his beating of women into a trope about cancel culture.

Making enemies all over the league earned him a rightful place on the outside watching.
 
Isn’t happening because he’s a loser of a human being who attempted to spin his beating of women into a trope about cancel culture.

Making enemies all over the league earned him a rightful place on the outside watching.

His suspension won't last, so it's more of the is anyone going to give him a chance once he wins his appeal, cause he will win it once an arbitrator hears his case...
 
Isn’t happening because he’s a loser of a human being who attempted to spin his beating of women into a trope about cancel culture.

Making enemies all over the league earned him a rightful place on the outside watching.
Not condoning what Bauer did, but how can you sit there with a straight face and not realize the double standard?

Example A: Aroldis Chapman
Citing police reports, Yahoo Sports' Tim Brown and Jeff Passan reported that Chapman's girlfriend alleged he "choked" her and pushed her against a wall at his home near Miami on Oct. 30. Chapman then allegedly fired eight gunshots in his garage. The state attorney's office in Broward County, Florida, declined to file charges against the four-time All-Star because of inconsistent and conflicting reports.
Result: 30-game suspension

Example B: Sam Dyson
MLB began investigating Dyson in 2019 after a woman wrote two lengthy social media posts alleging domestic violence by an unnamed individual. The woman later told The Athletic that Dyson physically abused her. The Athletic reported she provided photos showing bruises on her arms she said were caused by Dyson. She also claimed Dyson physically harmed her cat. In an October 2020 report, The Athletic reviewed text messages, photos, medical and public documents provided by Blackburn, which painted a pattern of verbal and emotional abuse, along with photos of Blackburn’s bruised arms, which were provided to Jupiter police. Dyson did not face charges in Jupiter, with Blackburn saying the police believed they could not provide probable cause.
Result: 162-game suspension

Example C: Domingo German
The details surrounding Germán’s incident were initially scant until The Athletic’s report about what led to the pitcher’s sudden suspension. Germán reportedly slapped his girlfriend at a 2019 charity event hosted by his former Yankees teammate CC Sabathia but the league’s probe focused on what happened afterward. Germán was "intoxicated" and was "physically violent" with his girlfriend at his home after Sabathia’s event, according to the report. The victim locked herself into a room and called the wife of another Yankees player to help, The Athletic reported. The couple drove to Germán’s home and separated the two, according to the report. Germán was not arrested as police were not called and no incident report was filed, according to The Athletic. But the incident was reported to MLB by a different member of the Yankees’ organization, who was told of the incident by the pitcher’s girlfriend.
Result: 81 game-suspension
 
Not condoning what Bauer did, but how can you sit there with a straight face and not realize the double standard?

Example A: Aroldis Chapman
Citing police reports, Yahoo Sports' Tim Brown and Jeff Passan reported that Chapman's girlfriend alleged he "choked" her and pushed her against a wall at his home near Miami on Oct. 30. Chapman then allegedly fired eight gunshots in his garage. The state attorney's office in Broward County, Florida, declined to file charges against the four-time All-Star because of inconsistent and conflicting reports.
Result: 30-game suspension

Example B: Sam Dyson
MLB began investigating Dyson in 2019 after a woman wrote two lengthy social media posts alleging domestic violence by an unnamed individual. The woman later told The Athletic that Dyson physically abused her. The Athletic reported she provided photos showing bruises on her arms she said were caused by Dyson. She also claimed Dyson physically harmed her cat. In an October 2020 report, The Athletic reviewed text messages, photos, medical and public documents provided by Blackburn, which painted a pattern of verbal and emotional abuse, along with photos of Blackburn’s bruised arms, which were provided to Jupiter police. Dyson did not face charges in Jupiter, with Blackburn saying the police believed they could not provide probable cause.
Result: 162-game suspension

Example C: Domingo German
The details surrounding Germán’s incident were initially scant until The Athletic’s report about what led to the pitcher’s sudden suspension. Germán reportedly slapped his girlfriend at a 2019 charity event hosted by his former Yankees teammate CC Sabathia but the league’s probe focused on what happened afterward. Germán was "intoxicated" and was "physically violent" with his girlfriend at his home after Sabathia’s event, according to the report. The victim locked herself into a room and called the wife of another Yankees player to help, The Athletic reported. The couple drove to Germán’s home and separated the two, according to the report. Germán was not arrested as police were not called and no incident report was filed, according to The Athletic. But the incident was reported to MLB by a different member of the Yankees’ organization, who was told of the incident by the pitcher’s girlfriend.
Result: 81 game-suspension
What about the productive closer that Houston brought in just to further their chances?

There's quite a bit of loser's of a human being that MLB pays and fans cheer for unfortunately.
 
As the father of 2 daughters that I would protect with my life I have to wonder/ask if there's any means/path for Bauer to redeem himself. There is a double standard here and I'm not surprised to see AZ's total condemnation with no path forward. Thing is I'm not saying he's wrong either. If Bauer is going to be reinstated and pitch in MLB he'll need to show proof of a legitimate rehab I'd guess, but it goddamn better well be enforced for every asshole that does something like this. The double standard is unacceptable to me.
 
As the father of 2 daughters that I would protect with my life I have to wonder/ask if there's any means/path for Bauer to redeem himself. There is a double standard here and I'm not surprised to see AZ's total condemnation with no path forward. Thing is I'm not saying he's wrong either. If Bauer is going to be reinstated and pitch in MLB he'll need to show proof of a legitimate rehab I'd guess, but it goddamn better well be enforced for every asshole that does something like this. The double standard is unacceptable to me.

The professional sports needs to clean it up the issues and have harsher punishment but it has to be consistent and the same for everyone.
 
Sam Dyson hasn't thrown a pitch in the MLB since he was accused of domestic violence

Roberto Osuna is only 27 years old and has pitched the last 2 seasons in Mexico and Japan because no one wants to take a chance on him.

Addison Russell turns 29 next month but hasn't played in the MLB since 2019

Clearly the MLB has made strides as a whole to further condemn this behavior. Bauer's 2 year suspension is further proof of that. We'll see what happens with Bauer, last we saw from him he offers significantly more value on the field than any of these other names sans Prime Chapman.
 
Not condoning what Bauer did, but how can you sit there with a straight face and not realize the double standard?

Example A: Aroldis Chapman
Citing police reports, Yahoo Sports' Tim Brown and Jeff Passan reported that Chapman's girlfriend alleged he "choked" her and pushed her against a wall at his home near Miami on Oct. 30. Chapman then allegedly fired eight gunshots in his garage. The state attorney's office in Broward County, Florida, declined to file charges against the four-time All-Star because of inconsistent and conflicting reports.
Result: 30-game suspension

Example B: Sam Dyson
MLB began investigating Dyson in 2019 after a woman wrote two lengthy social media posts alleging domestic violence by an unnamed individual. The woman later told The Athletic that Dyson physically abused her. The Athletic reported she provided photos showing bruises on her arms she said were caused by Dyson. She also claimed Dyson physically harmed her cat. In an October 2020 report, The Athletic reviewed text messages, photos, medical and public documents provided by Blackburn, which painted a pattern of verbal and emotional abuse, along with photos of Blackburn’s bruised arms, which were provided to Jupiter police. Dyson did not face charges in Jupiter, with Blackburn saying the police believed they could not provide probable cause.
Result: 162-game suspension

Example C: Domingo German
The details surrounding Germán’s incident were initially scant until The Athletic’s report about what led to the pitcher’s sudden suspension. Germán reportedly slapped his girlfriend at a 2019 charity event hosted by his former Yankees teammate CC Sabathia but the league’s probe focused on what happened afterward. Germán was "intoxicated" and was "physically violent" with his girlfriend at his home after Sabathia’s event, according to the report. The victim locked herself into a room and called the wife of another Yankees player to help, The Athletic reported. The couple drove to Germán’s home and separated the two, according to the report. Germán was not arrested as police were not called and no incident report was filed, according to The Athletic. But the incident was reported to MLB by a different member of the Yankees’ organization, who was told of the incident by the pitcher’s girlfriend.
Result: 81 game-suspension


And you didn't even mention Marcell Ozuna who is back playing. Initial police reports actually included police witnessing his brutality and he seemed destined for legitimate incarceration.

EDIT - Ozuna also added a DUI charge to his "records" in August of 2022... This guy is pure scum.
 
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And you didn't even mention Marcell Ozuna who is back playing. Initial police reports actually included police witnessing his brutality and he seemed destined for legitimate incarceration.

EDIT - Ozuna also added a DUI charge to his "records" in August of 2022... This guy is pure scum.
Now just imagine what's behind closed doors. Wasn't there a point in time where MLB didn't test the 25 man for cocaine, etc?
 

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