2023 Guardians Offseason Thread!

[CBBI]

I haven't really been following the Bauer saga. What did he actually do?

Long story short, he beat up a woman during sex.

He claims it was consensual rough sex and nothing he did went beyond what they mutually agreed on.

She claims she didn't agree to all of the things he did, and that he also did things to her after she was knocked out and unable to give consent.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Best news this week.

 

[CDAV45]

Spotrac has a column on trade candidates (12 to be exact) and one of them surprised me.

CAL QUANTRILL (SP, CLE, 27) EST. $5M FOR 2023, ARBITRATION THRU 2025

Quantrill has now posted back-to-back-to-back strong seasons, raising his value to an all-time high. So why move him? The Guardians have 10 starting pitchers at or very close to MLB ready. They can keep the gravy train moving with an annual sell high move like this, especially before Quantrill gets too expensive.

Hmmm. The Guardians love to sell high (Clevinger, for example), but Cal is only 27, very affordable, and the G's are coming off a division championship and looking to go deeper into the playoffs next year. I would say Civale with his injury history and Plesac with ERA's of 4.67 and 4.31 the last two years plus multiple self-inflicted injuries are no sure things.

The G's may need a couple of those "close to MLB ready" starters to step in for Civale and Plesac this year. Trading Quantrill would really be taking a risk, and what do we need more prospects for?

Trading Cal, Straw, and some middle infield prospects for Bryan Reynolds might be worth considering, but it depends on how confident they are that a Cody Morris or Battenfield or Williams is ready to step in and be their #3 starter.

or Pilkington or Gaddis or Curry or Bibee(who is more ready than Williams) or whoever they may acquire in a trade. Thing is, you don't know exactly what you're going to get even if you know that talent is there. I don't mind that type of risk and I'll bet on talent all day long, but not everybody feels as I do.

 

[33Y0]

 

[sportscoach]

Sorry, Coach. It won't change your mind but domestic abuse isn't comparable to the seeking out of sickos willing to enable his desire to hurt women. There's no precedent in MLB history, afaik, for what he's accused of nor his adamant refusal to change his behavior.

He wasn't charged on anything in court so it's hard to merit it was more than an agreed upon fetish by the two parties. Now I am not going to disagree with the sickos part, but someone who beat there wife, got charged by the law and had less days in suspension. What the charge would be under is domestic violence so Bauer should have gotten an equal sentence yet he got over double the nearest offense that by law was worse.

It needs to be changed, all domestic violence/assaults need to be two seasons and if proven true teams can negate the contract of said player.

If the next domestic violence doesn't get two seasons, then they aren't being fair, there isn't any it's ands or buts about it. Bauer got his two seasons because of Bauer calling out Manfred and his policies. There isn't any it's ands or buts about that one, which is why I think he will win the appeal. Manfred made sure he got his max possible with the union in place.

I mean we probably should end this talk anyways, but that's my side of looking at it. Should he be in the league? Probably not, But is he getting a fair charge? He isnt...

 

[sportscoach]

Spotrac has a column on trade candidates (12 to be exact) and one of them surprised me.

CAL QUANTRILL (SP, CLE, 27) EST. $5M FOR 2023, ARBITRATION THRU 2025

Quantrill has now posted back-to-back-to-back strong seasons, raising his value to an all-time high. So why move him? The Guardians have 10 starting pitchers at or very close to MLB ready. They can keep the gravy train moving with an annual sell high move like this, especially before Quantrill gets too expensive.

Hmmm. The Guardians love to sell high (Clevinger, for example), but Cal is only 27, very affordable, and the G's are coming off a division championship and looking to go deeper into the playoffs next year. I would say Civale with his injury history and Plesac with ERA's of 4.67 and 4.31 the last two years plus multiple self-inflicted injuries are no sure things.

The G's may need a couple of those "close to MLB ready" starters to step in for Civale and Plesac this year. Trading Quantrill would really be taking a risk, and what do we need more prospects for?

Trading Cal, Straw, and some middle infield prospects for Bryan Reynolds might be worth considering, but it depends on how confident they are that a Cody Morris or Battenfield or Williams is ready to step in and be their #3 starter.

It's too soon to trade Quantrill... if the return is good, I'm not against it, but with Plesac the first one out, I don't think Quantrill should be moved...

 

[AZ_]

 

[CDAV45]

It's too soon to trade Quantrill... if the return is good, I'm not against it, but with Plesac the first one out, I don't think Quantrill should be moved...

It's not too soon to trade anyone if the return is desired. Here we are again, we have to know what the return is before we can pass judgement. I will say this much, Cal's value far exceeds what BTV has him at. I mean he's creeping on 400 inning of very good results. The problem is their metrics don't like how he has obtained them. I'm not moving him just to move him, that's for damn sure.

 

[CDAV45]

Would love to see him excel. Would he be our new CFer?

 

[Gson]

Would love to see him excel. Would he be our new CFer?

RF

 

[MirORich]

Could be crushing real hard on an Akron girl playing hard to get.

 

[CDAV45]

RF

If OGon continues performing the way he always has then Valera will not be playing RF. We won't even get into the fact that Tito is considering giving Naylor some reps out there occasionally.

 

[petes999]

Would love to see him excel. Would he be our new CFer?

Let's go over last year's positioning ...
AA 49-RF 24-LF,
AAA 13-LF,21-RF, 12-CF
2021 AA 10-RF, 8-LF, 4-CF and
............. A+ 38-RF, 9-LF, 12-CF.

Says to me that he can fill in from time-to-time for an emergency/fill-in but he is not being groomed for it. You don't learn to play it well in 28 games in 2 years.

 

[petes999]

If OGon continues performing the way he always has then Valera will not be playing RF. We won't even get into the fact that Tito is considering giving Naylor some reps out there occasionally.

Kwan is better suited for CF if they have to get Oscar and Gonzalez in the same line-up without using the DH for either. Yet, Bell is gone in 1 or 2 years and Noel/Pries would have to take over 1st for Naylor for this issue to occur. In my mind, LF- Kwan, CF - Halpin/Brennan/Straw, RF - Valera/Oscar DH -- other loser. If 3 guys can't hit well enough for center in this list ... nor Kwan good enough to play CF ... then we have bigger issue than where Valera plays but he is not our CF

Kwan.
2021 - 45 in 71 games in CF
2019 - 91 in 107 games
2022 - 4 games start (3 more finished for 7)

 

[CDAV45]

Saw this one posted and I like it. Appears to be beneficial to all 3 teams.

Guardians 3​

Name	Age	Level	P1	P2	Availablility	Years	AFV	Salary	Surplus	Low	Median	High
Luzardo	24	Majors	SP		Medium	4	40	12.9	27.1	21.7	27.1	32.5

Diamondbacks 12​

Name	Age	Level	P1	P2	Availablility	Years	AFV	Salary	Surplus	Low	Median	High
Allen		Minors	LHP						9.4	7.5	9.4	11.3
Freeman	23	Majors	2B		Medium	6	16.9	4.3	12.6	10.1	12.6	15.1
Tena		Minors	SS						5	4	5	6
Wendle	32	Majors	3B	2B	Medium	1	8	5.4	2.6	2.1	2.6	3.1

Marlins 3​

Name	Age	Level	P1	P2	Availablility	Years	AFV	Salary	Surplus	Low	Median	High
Thomas	22	Majors	OF		Low	6	37.8	8.2	29.6	23.7	29.6	35.5