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Kevin Garnett did not have Darius Garland spoonfeeding him oops for ~75% of his buckets. Any statistical comparison between the two especially when talking about SKILLSET really needs to take this into account. It is very easy to look up shot distribution and assisted FG%.
Being able to be in the right position and finish these opportunities is great but its a lot different than how KG got buckets.
Here’s a concrete way to put it guys. Fully one-quarter / 25% of all Mobleys field goal attempts this year are dunks. Only ten percent of Garnett’s field goal attempts in his second year were dunks. (And Garnett still averaged almost three points per game more than Evan is so far this year).
It’s great that Evan is so skilled at dunking the basketball but Garnett had a broader range of offensive skills
Ever hear of a guy named Stephon Marbury? And did Garnett have anyone like Donovan Mitchell taking away his shot attempts?
Percentage of 2 PT FG's assisted....
Garnett
Year 1- 73.7%
Year 2 - 73.6%
Mobley
Year 1 - 65.2%
Year 2- 73.7%
Garnett was a career 68.6% in this metric. Mobley's first two years is 68.5%.
Garnett didn't see a meaningful reduction in this stat until his 5th season in the league (63.8%).....and only broke 60% in 2 of his first 10 seasons.
Do you guys not look this stuff up before firing off takes or what?
I'm sure this is merely a function of the restricted circle and the fact that the game is nowhere as physical as it was when KG was a rookie.
You beat me to it but see my above post. But I also have to fire back with "Do you even read my posts before firing takes" considering I very obviously implied we should be considering not only assisted FG%, but also shot type - "75% of his buckets are assisted oops"
(and in case it wasn't clear, 75% was hyperbole, completely pulled out of my ass. 35% of his made FG's are assisted dunks)
I would bet a good amount of money this is directly attributed to the circle area and the fact that landing space is protected and contact has more severely been levied out of the NBA, in favor of freedom of movement.
I have no doubt that KG would have been dunking a lot more in the modern game........but in 1996, when goons were still a thing and guys were getting thrown in to the second row......I can see why a skinny teenager would want to try to find other ways to score vs. subjecting himself to Rodman putting a foot in his ass every time he tried to go in the paint.
I would bet a good amount of money this is directly attributed to the circle area and the fact that landing space is protected and contact has more severely been levied out of the NBA, in favor of freedom of movement.
I have no doubt that KG would have been dunking a lot more in the modern game........but in 1996, when goons were still a thing and guys were getting thrown in to the second row......I can see why a skinny teenager would want to try to find other ways to score vs. subjecting himself to Rodman putting a foot in his ass every time he tried to go in the paint.
No one here is arguing Mobley has KG’s offensive skills or likely to develop them in the future. It’s a straw man argument just to troll people. Now some people squint and see potential that “might” one day rise to KG level. But that is wishful thinking, not a Vegas betting line.Here’s a concrete way to put it guys. Fully one-quarter / 25% of all Mobleys field goal attempts this year are dunks. Only ten percent of Garnett’s field goal attempts in his second year were dunks. (And Garnett still averaged almost three points per game more than Evan is so far this year).
It’s great that Evan is so skilled at dunking the basketball but Garnett had a broader range of offensive skills
Absolutely! And that's why I say I'm not taking anything away from Mobley, and it is so difficult to compare because of the differences in team makeup, evolution of the game, pace of play, etc etc etc. (I know you were using per 100 but I've seen others just use raw PPG).
I just think you have to make a lot of assumptions if you are projecting Mobley to be as talented of a scorer as some of the guys he is compared to. And of course he is still young and raw and there's absolutely a possibility, maybe even a good possibility, that he reaches that level of scoring talent. He just hasn't demonstrated it.
In other words you are agreeing that it is a lot easier to score today than it was when Garnett was starting out, as several of us pointed out above, and therefore Garnett’s 17 ppg in his second year is a lot more impressive than Evans 14.5 ppg today. Glad you agree.
I’m not sure why you would want to put in a lot of effort to deny that Evan has a shitty jump shot and is a pretty raw offensive player when you get him outside of dunk/layup range. These things could not be more obvious both from his stats and from watching him.
To be honest, if you want to try to draw something from specific splits like this......which, it makes the samples sizes pretty small, so who knows what it means...... but the guy that is pretty similar when comparing rim attempts and attempts from 10-16 ish feet is actually AD. AD was even more extreme than Mobley in year one (46.9%) of his FGA were 0-3 feet......and then he year over year saw that number generally pull down as he extended his range. But if you watch young AD highlights, they are not dissimilar from Mobley. A lot of lob catching, a lot of time as the screener and roll man, put backs, etc.
It will be interesting to see how they manage trying to develop Mobley as a shooter. The big tactical issue is he's so damn effective as a screener in the P&R that you are lighting PPP on fire every time you have him do anything else, especially when Allen is out. For the sake of his long term development, I hope they realize this but in the short term, I'm sure his offensive growth is going to be far more incremental because we aren't really allowing him to do the things he needs to do to develop. I think that is what makes him a pretty interesting developmental case. That he's trying to acquire difficult skills to refine, while playing on a winning team AND being given fewer opportunities. I hope this type of internal dialog is happening in the FO / staff.......as at some point it will come to a head.