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What jumps out is his ranking in the 8th percentile in hard hit percentage. Even worse is being in the 3rd percentile in barrell percentage. His stuff is good enough to get through the batting order twice if he's got pinpoint control, but the numbers show that hitters pretty much own him the third time they see him.

Notice his chase rate in the 10th percentile. Pitchers with marginal stuff really need to get batters to chase bad pitches, but Konner is not very good at that.

I also think his ceiling is a 5th starter for an average or below average team. One thing in his favor is that the Guardians relievers pitched the second fewest innings in the majors last year, which means we can afford to have a 5-and-fly or even a 4-and-fly guy as a temporary 5th starter when there is an injury.

But Pilkington probably isn't going to beat out Civale or Plesac and there are a number of younger, higher upside starters right behind him who will probably pass him this season. I see him as part of a trade package with the Pirates for Bryan Reynolds, but that's probably a pipe dream.
While I don't agree that his ceiling is a #5, I agree with everything else. If he doesn't have a fantastic showing this season he's going to get passed up by Morris, Bibee, Williams and Espino.
 
Just to put a cap on it, Bieber, McKenzie, and Quantrill combined for 58 quality starts out of 93 last year, or 62.4%

The rest of the staff combined for 17 quality starts out of 69, or 24.6%.

The area with the most potential for improvement is the 4th and 5th starters, who averaged just one quality start out of four last year, in large part due to injuries to Civale and Plesac.

You might argue that the offense, which finished 14th of 30 in runs, could also improve significantly with the additions of Bell and Zunino, a full season of Oscar Gonzalez, and a healthy Jose Ramirez, and I think it definitely will.

Those are the two areas where I see the most potential for improvement.
Biebs, Sticks and Quantrill were all in the top 30 in MLB for quality starts, pretty impressive when you think about it. Even with his issues Plesac was tied for #59 qualified starters with 11 in 24 starts. I know we "can" do better, but I will take that from a #4/5 every year if he can get back his previous advanced stats with it. If Plesac stops hitting or tearing inanimate objects and goes 31 starts that should be around 14/15 QS.

Civale is the question mark. Was he being protected after his '21 injury with his pitch counts not to go longer into games last year or did Tito prefer to ride the hot hands in the bullpen instead of an extra inning/10-15 pitches from Civale? After being recalled between June-August, we scored 3 or less runs in 7 out of 9 starts, so there was less margin for error. He only threw 90+ pitches 3 times, 6+ innings 6 and 4 QS.

In 2019 six out of 10 starts Civale went 6+ innings, all quality starts. In 2020 10 out of 11 starts were 6 innings+ and 95+ pitches, 7 out of 11 were QS. In 2021 before his finger injury on 6/21, he threw 90+ pitches in 13 out of 14 starts. Seven of the 14 starts were QS and 11 out of 14 were 6+ innings. From 2019 to pre-injury 2021, 27 out of 34 starts were 6+ innings and 20 out of 35 were QS.

I'm using the stats gathered here, Reddit post for average SP ranking last year.
Average No. 3 Starter
137.0 IP, 3.88 ERA/3.94 FIP, 1.7 WAR
Average No. 4 Starter
103.1 IP, 4.38 ERA/4.22 FIP, 1.0 WAR

Civale's '19-'21 averaged 3.76 ERA/4.28 FIP, 1.3 WAR, 162 game adjusted average 1.7 WAR. Plesac's '19-'21 averaged 3.93 ERA/4.56FIP, 1.7 WAR.
Baseball Reference's projections for both averaged out around SP4 for this year. If we can get average '19-'21 years from both guys, that would be a 3.5 (Baseball Reference projections) to 4.5 ( average '19-21 years) WAR improvement from their collective -1.6 WAR last year, not including the -0.9 WAR from the Columbus Express starting pitchers..
 
I'll bet you that Bibee makes his ML debut before Williams.
This is a very good bet. Bibee is way more polished. Logan Allen may have scuffed a bit in AAA but he is too. It's going to be Allen then Bibee then maybe even Espino then Williams. Williams obviously has the arm, he just doesn't have the full arsenal and command completely honed yet. This is not a knock on him, I just think he arrives last.

I haven't even mentioned Morris because IMO he has "arrived" already, but he's next in line and maybe should open IN the rotation.
 
This is a very good bet. Bibee is way more polished. Logan Allen may have scuffed a bit in AAA but he is too. It's going to be Allen then Bibee then maybe even Espino then Williams. Williams obviously has the arm, he just doesn't have the full arsenal and command completely honed yet. This is not a knock on him, I just think he arrives last.

I haven't even mentioned Morris because IMO he has "arrived" already, but he's next in line and maybe should open IN the rotation.

Bieber
TMac
Quantrill
Civale
Plesac

Morris
Pilkington
Curry
Gaddis

That is our 1st wave of starters. Some of these guys could certainly drop in the pecking order.

Bibee - if he is dominating after a half dozen starts (40ish innings) I'd speculate he gets plugged into the rotation, no looking back.
Cantillo - his roster spot elevates his status if he is dealing. If he isn't he may still get mop up/fill in duty, see Shane McCarty.
Williams - similar spot to Bibee, but less likely to kick the door down immediately. Ask me again after 4-5 starts.
Allen - hit a rough patch upon promotion...Was also better (subjective) in AA for 2021 compared to his 2022 stats. Not sure I am a believer at this point.
Espino - too much missed time - if he makes it to the show in 2023 - it is because he is a GOD.
Battenfield - I'll believe it when I see it.

Morris is a solid option when healthy, just needs to prove it. IMO some of you folks are a little hard on Curry, but to each their own. Pilkington is an intriguer, being a lefty certainly helps. I like him as a swingman/spot starter type. Morris and Pilkington are an excellent 1-2 duo out of the 6/7th spot.

Back of the rotation should improve in 2023. Only time will tell.
 
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Morris is a solid option when healthy, just needs to prove it. IMO some of you folks are a little hard on Curry, but to each their own. Pilkington is an intriguer, being a lefty certainly helps. I like him as a swingman/spot starter type. Morris and Pilkington are an excellent 1-2 duo out of the 6/7th spot.

Back of the rotation should improve in 2023. Only time will tell.
Hey at least we remember him unlike poor Logan Allen... Just wondering - where would you fit him into things?

IMO if we're talking about guys like Pilkington and Battenfield, something probably has gone majorly wrong. I know Pilk gets more love here than elsewhere but what he did in the MLB was really his most impressive performance in 2022. His AAA didn't look very good at all, which probably factored into both Curry and Gaddis slotting above him so no I don't really see him at a #7 starter type.

I think the bullpen is in Pilk's future... and not very distant future either. Averaging under 5 IP/start in AAA with lots of walks and a delivery which looks awkward but might be somewhat hard to time in small samples.
 
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Hey at least we remember him unlike poor Logan Allen... Just wondering - where would you fit him into things?

IMO if we're talking about guys like Pilkington and Battenfield, something probably has gone majorly wrong. I know Pilk gets more love here than elsewhere but what he did in the MLB was really his most impressive performance in 2022. His AAA didn't look very good at all, which probably factored into both Curry and Gaddis slotting above him so no I don't really see him at a #7 starter type.
lol - i just updated my post. Also he is very tradeable and think he has a good chance of going in a major trade/deal.

Pilkington - seems perfect for the bailout/swing spot for now IMO. As a pure starter, I agree it doesn't seem ideal at all.
 
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lol - i just updated my post.

Pilkington - seems prefect for the bailout/swing spot for now IMO. As a pure starter, I agree it doesn't seem ideal at all.
Yeah I think he goes into the McCarty role and maybe even gets displaced by Cantillo at some point but Cantillo is going to get his shot as a starter.

I actually really am in love with the G's way of forgetting about reliever-only pitchers and instead realizing that failed starters often make better relivers than reliever-only types. It seems like the rest of the league is much behind the curve there.. there's starters and relievers and if you get the relievers to relieve and a failed starter is a failure.
 
Yeah I think he goes into the McCarty role and maybe even gets displaced by Cantillo at some point but Cantillo is going to get his shot as a starter.

I actually really am in love with the G's way of forgetting about reliever-only pitchers and instead realizing that failed starters often make better relivers than reliever-only types. It seems like the rest of the league is much behind the curve there.. there's starters and relievers and if you get the relievers to relieve and a failed starter is a failure.
The problem with this is durability. Pilkington has it in spades over Cantillo even though Cantillo's ceiling is higher. It's going to be interesting to see what happens and how all this works itself out. I know I hold Pilkington and Battenfield in higher regard than most here, but that doesn't make me right. It's gotta play out and I think we all agree that there are some dudes with huge ceilings hot on their asses. All of Pilkington, Battenfield, Curry, Gaddis and even Allen have to be feeling a bit of pressure to perform or they'll get passed up without an opportunity.
 
Yeah I think he goes into the McCarty role and maybe even gets displaced by Cantillo at some point but Cantillo is going to get his shot as a starter.

I actually really am in love with the G's way of forgetting about reliever-only pitchers and instead realizing that failed starters often make better relivers than reliever-only types. It seems like the rest of the league is much behind the curve there.. there's starters and relievers and if you get the relievers to relieve and a failed starter is a failure.
The only issue with Pilkington out of the BP is his lack of control and his durability that is immeasurable. If I was a team in need of a young, BOR SP I'd be asking Cleveland about him.
 
The only issue with Pilkington out of the BP is his lack of control and his durability that is immeasurable. If I was a team in need of a young, BOR SP I'd be asking Cleveland about him.
I actually like Pilkington quite a bit, despite my opinion of his fit/profile.

I wonder if his huff and puff windup will put him on balk watch, but I guess we'll see how hardcore actual enforcement is.
 
The problem with this is durability. Pilkington has it in spades over Cantillo even though Cantillo's ceiling is higher. It's going to be interesting to see what happens and how all this works itself out. I know I hold Pilkington and Battenfield in higher regard than most here, but that doesn't make me right. It's gotta play out and I think we all agree that there are some dudes with huge ceilings hot on their asses. All of Pilkington, Battenfield, Curry, Gaddis and even Allen have to be feeling a bit of pressure to perform or they'll get passed up without an opportunity.
When I think durability though in a starter I think of a workhorse who will "eat innings" and save the bullpen. Pilkington just doesn't seem to have what it takes to go deep into games. Terrible sample size but in the majors he went 12.2 innings 3rd and 4th time through the lineup and 10 K's, 10 BB's. This is not good... I wonder what his splits look like in the minors going deeper but he rarely went deep into games. First time through he was also the strongest (which is true overall in the majors but his K numbers stick out there).
 
When I think durability though in a starter I think of a workhorse who will "eat innings" and save the bullpen. Pilkington just doesn't seem to have what it takes to go deep into games. Terrible sample size but in the majors he went 12.2 innings 3rd and 4th time through the lineup and 10 K's, 10 BB's. This is not good... I wonder what his splits look like in the minors going deeper but he rarely went deep into games. First time through he was also the strongest (which is true overall in the majors but his K numbers stick out there).
He's logged a good number of innings every year and has avoided injury. Like I said, he needs better control and if that should happen then his pitch count gets better and he goes deeper in games. There's some development left hopefully and I can't say what the outcome will be. All I can give is my opinion that he has the potential to be a pretty good ML SP in some capacity.
I actually like Pilkington quite a bit, despite my opinion of his fit/profile.

I wonder if his huff and puff windup will put him on balk watch, but I guess we'll see how hardcore actual enforcement is.
I don't see it as an issue. Basically the only odd thing in his delivery is the glove turn. He started doing that when it was thought that he was tipping his pitches I believe.
 
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