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2023 Browns Off-Season Thread II: Free Agent Marathon: Settling in for the Long Haul: Slow and Steady: Patience is a Virtue: Loose Lips Sink Ships!

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A two day trip for a speedy WR that could fill in Schwartz role
 
Marquise Goodwin doesn't have that much slot WR experience all things considered, only about 20% of his career snaps came in the slot before this past season.

But last year with Seattle, Goodwin played almost 60% of his snaps in the slot. So he does have recent experience there.

He's fine. Just a guy IMO.
 
CBBI said:
Marquise Goodwin doesn't have that much slot WR experience all things considered, only about 20% of his career snaps came in the slot before this past season.

But last year with Seattle, Goodwin played almost 60% of his snaps in the slot. So he does have recent experience there.

He's fine. Just a guy IMO.
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Fuck it, speed, deep threat ability.

He’d be 4 or 5 and I’m cool with it. That’s a solid option for game breaking plays.
 
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When the Browns drafted Schwartz, I saw him filling the very specific Marquise Goodwin role in the Shanahan-style offense.

If Goodwin would only catch three or four receptions a game, that's fine. Shanahan has a different reserve slot working the middle of the field in three receiver sets. Goodwin is a threat vertically and prevents safeties from crowding the box. Think Tyler Gabriel when Shanahan was in Cleveland.

If Goodwin is affordable, he pushes and creates competition for Schwartz to either develop or officially move on. He's not an exciting free agent target, but he would serve a purpose.

Off topic: shame the Browns couldn't seal the deal with Morrow. There are still some nice plug-and-play linebackers out there on the market and Walker hasn't become official with the Commanders.
 
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Fuck it, speed, deep threat ability.

He’d be 4 or 5 and I’m cool with it. That’s a solid option for game breaking plays.
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Why do you think Goodwin's track speed corresponds to on-field results and deep threat ability while Schwartz's doesn't?

Eventually people need to understand that track speed doesn't always equate to getting open, not even on 9 routes. Even running a 9, which is the example people always give as if these guys are running nothing but go routes 80 times a game, I guarantee you Jerry Rice is more likely to be open than John Ross.

I think people just see that Schwartz, with his speed, has not turned into a very effective football player--so they want to try for the next guy with speed.

That just isn't how it works. You want receivers who are good football players. Show me the guy who understands footwork and knows how to set up a DB. Show me the guy who understands that he can help move safeties away from where he wants to go with subtle body and eye movements. Those things will never show up in a 40-yard dash or a 10-yard split--but they show up on the football field time and time again.

Amari Cooper is a great example. Just watch what he does immediately at the snap--the way he uses footwork to get the DB off balance before he even runs his route is worth more than any track time.

If Goodwin is just coming in because we're thinking of cutting Schwartz and/or Jakeem Grant, and we want another fast gadgety player for cheap, then sure. But if we're expecting him to be able to contribute anything more, or be a reliable deep threat just because he was an olympic track athlete, then we're fooling ourselves.
 
Important to note: Watson and Goodwin share same agent, so file that away as to why they might be exploring him vs some other veterans to fill out the backend of the roster..

A Goodwin addition is more so competition and insurance for Schwartz, Grant, Woods, etc then it is a solution to the Browns #2/#3 WR needs.. Goodwin wouldn’t impact their draft plans or change going after a Hardman should his price drop.. He’s more so another guy to add to the mix that provides a known floor..
 
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Why do you think Goodwin's track speed corresponds to on-field results and deep threat ability while Schwartz's doesn't?
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Because he's 9 year veteran with 3000+ yards, 18 TD, and a YPC of 16.2 ? Not world beater numbers but clearly the guy has proved he can play at some level. Schwartz looks like a guy who is on track to be out of the league by 25.

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If Goodwin is just coming in because we're thinking of cutting Schwartz and/or Jakeem Grant, and we want another fast gadgety player for cheap, then sure. But if we're expecting him to be able to contribute anything more, or be a reliable deep threat just because he was an olympic track athlete, then we're fooling ourselves.
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He literally said he'd be a 4 or 5 on the depth chart so pretty sure his expectations are right in line for what Goodwin would be here. Goodwin's last 2 contracts have been $1.2m each, pretty sure wherever he signs won't be for more than $2m
 
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