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Well that's too bad. Tell Mary Sue and Larry that this team's success depends on these types of deals and that Bieber clearly doesn't share the love for them that they have for him. Remind them of Kluber and how we were lucky to get anything for him at all.

Why are you asking me? I didn't bring the fucking subject up. I'm not even saying it isn't a bad idea. I'm saying I don't know because I don't know what would be returning.

WTF you talking about? We dumped his salary and got a good BP prospect (who turned into Clase) and a warm body to man CF...

Disengaging now, sorry I started up your hill.

Opening day tomorrow.. Go Myles and go Amed!!!! Pitch a no-hitter Shane!!!!
 
I am glad I don't have this Klubot memory issue...

Might want to check how well you can smell peanut butter.
 
Schroedinger's isn't an example of not enough data.

It's supposed to be an example of something existing in both states at the same time and how the act of observing it changes the state.
good.. it wasn't meant to be a data collection comment.. It was meant to state that, at present, there is not enough data to confirm that Brennan may or may not be in the state of being a good / advanced player.. but it would require forethought to come to that conclusion.. thanks for the response..
 
So, am I missing something on the Gimenez contract?
Yes. I think you have the years wrong.


We bought out three arb years (24, 25, 26)

We earned 4 free agent years (27, 28, 29, 30)

And a club option for a fifth free agent year (31)

With the way contracts keep going up over time, if Gimenez maintains his production, I wouldn't be shocked to see his market value heading into that 2027 Unrestricted Free Agency being easily over 20M annually.
 
good.. it wasn't meant to be a data collection comment.. It was meant to state that, at present, there is not enough data to confirm that Brennan may or may not be in the state of being a good / advanced player.. but it would require forethought to come to that conclusion.. thanks for the response..
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It isn't about not knowing which is true.

It's about both states being true at the same time.

Nobody is suggesting that Will Brennan is both a great player and a bad player at the same time.

But hey, I guess that's what we get for trying to discuss quantum superpositions in a baseball forum.
 
Brennan has exceptional contact skills and a good eye. Major league pitchers are notoriously around the plate more and that could be part of his aggressiveness. He's a minor league career .300 hitter with an OPS just over .800. He made a nice power jump after the cancelled pandemic season and has carried that since. He's not a small kid at 6' 200lbs so there's some natural strength, but he won't sellout to get to it. He was drafted precisely because of his similar profile to Kwan. That doesn't mean he's going to be extra ordinary when it comes to plate discipline, but he's demonstrated more than enough and he'll bring more power than Kwan or Straw could ever hope to.

If you're looking that hard to find something wrong with Will Brennan's bat while ignoring Myles Straw's flaws then it's because that's what you want to see. The kid is a hitter and always has been. He's good with the glove too. Straw might be able to get to 3 balls over the course of a season that Brennan couldn't, but Brennan will more than make up for that with his offense. Each have their own set of strengths and weaknesses, but I like a potent offense. Brennan gives you more offensively than Straw ever will. In a 5 yr major league career Straw has a career OPS of exactly .635. I can't believe we're even comparing the 2 honestly.
While the sample size for Brennan is limited.. he's headed in the direction of a superior offensive player to Straw.. It's the general belief that these two guys can co-exist to the overall benefit of the team.. This situation would drastically change if Straw were to have a barren May-August, again..
 
Yes. I think you have the years wrong.


We bought out three arb years (24, 25, 26)

We earned 4 free agent years (27, 28, 29, 30)

And a club option for a fifth free agent year (31)

With the way contracts keep going up over time, if Gimenez maintains his production, I wouldn't be shocked to see his market value heading into that 2027 Unrestricted Free Agency being easily over 20M annually.

He also will be a free agent in his early 30s so he could be a candidate for a second contract extension as well if he is still playing well. We have Gimenez in his prime years so this is a move a small market needs to make if they feel he can be a key piece for years to come...
 
:shakehead:

It isn't about not knowing which is true.

It's about both states being true at the same time.

Nobody is suggesting that Will Brennan is both a great player and a bad player at the same time.

But hey, I guess that's what we get for trying to discuss quantum superpositions in a baseball forum.
The comment brought the idea that both situations are possible and will remain more likely until more evidence in the form of playing time is seen.. I certainly hope Brennan continues to prove he is both a strong batsman and a good team player.. everyone does who isn't an opponent on that day....
 
Brennan has a ceiling of a Michael Brantley with a stronger fielding... That much is true and his style of play makes his floor a solid 4th OF/Platoon type of player.

Brennan is going to be a solid 4th OF/platoon type at the bare minimum in my mind...

So now the question mark in my mind, will Straw hit near 100 OPS while keeping up his defensive prowess? Can Brennan show he is a plus OF defensively, not just in the corners but in CF as well?

For 23, Straw is the CF and Brennan plays all three spots.... Let's see how he handles his time in 23...
 
I will take the challenge and fight anyone who disagrees.

Brennan is an excellent player because he has tremendous potential and he is OUR minor leaguer.

Brennan is a lousy player because he can’t beat out a Myles Straw whose bat is made of straw.
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I will take the challenge and fight anyone who disagrees.

Brennan is an excellent player because he has tremendous potential and he is OUR minor leaguer.

Brennan is a lousy player because he can’t beat out a Myles Straw whose bat is made of straw.
:fight (2):
LOL - Myles should get himself a straw colored bat.
 
I will take the challenge and fight anyone who disagrees.

Brennan is an excellent player because he has tremendous potential and he is OUR minor leaguer.

Brennan is a lousy player because he can’t beat out a Myles Straw whose bat is made of straw.
:fight (2):
with 50 or so at bats at the ML level.. it's hard to argue either side of these comments with any certainty...
 
Folks should be legitimately worried about this part. LaRussa was a dinosaur and lost that team. If Grifol brings them together, well, look out.
I was going to trash the White Sox's fielding errors last year, but came up looking at the G's with 97 errors last year to the Pale "Hoes" 101. The Southsiders have finished 27th, 21st, 26th and 28th in fielding percentage the past four years. Watching the Sox games, their fielders look like stone statues.

The G's have been above average at 8th, 7th and 16th before 25th last year. Amed the past two years has an error every 12 games. Hopefully J. Naylor and Bell can shave a few off MIller's 10 at first in limited duty and the pitchers can reduce their 13 from last year.
 

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