2023 Guardians Spring Training Thread

[FFRva]

We shall see in a couple seasons, but I think Brennan can reach Brantleys level of play...

I think this take is crazy like the couple posters above but I do like your optimism for our current prospect/player in Brennan

 

[sportscoach]

I think this take is crazy like the couple posters above but I do like your optimism for our current prospect/player in Brennan

It's no fun unless you got some Crazy takes and if I am right then the team wins in the end lol

 

[KluberSociety]

It's very easy to say Player A "can reach X" or "has the potential to reach X".

Because then, when they almost certainly don't reach X, you could just say "well that was his ceiling, too bad it never happened". Then you go off on your way talking about the next Correa or Brantley or Lindor or Cole hidden deep within the system.

The good thing about actually bold predictions is that you say them as if they are GOING to happen. "Brennan is going to become Brantley, I'd bet my life on that." Then you risk looking like a fool when he doesn't, hence the boldness.

 

[CDAV45]

Can someone please quote one deal where anyone said anything about only future prospects coming back in a Bieber deal. Go ahead, I'll wait. Just another example of moving goal posts to fit a narrative.

The cookie cutter approach to prospect development doesn't work and never has. Lumping an entire career together prior to maturity isn't worth a damn thing. I don't need Will Brennan to be Michael Brantley. He's already better defensively than Brantley could ever hope to be and he outperformed Brantley in their initial exposures. Brantley didn't post the kind of numbers Brennan did in his short stint until he was 27 yrs old. Will has earned a longer look and if he continues to hit/play like he has since turning pro then he deserves more than just a look.

 

[CDAV45]

WTF you talking about? We dumped his salary and got a good BP prospect (who turned into Clase) and a warm body to man CF...

Disengaging now, sorry I started up your hill.

Opening day tomorrow.. Go Myles and go Amed!!!! Pitch a no-hitter Shane!!!!

I know what I'm talking about so try to keep up. I was an advocate of trading him the year prior which ties into Bieber's situation. Maybe you need to go back and look what happened in 2019? Now I'll disengage.

Go Guards because somehow you're trying to twist shit and act like I'm not a fan.

 

[DCTribefan]

Can someone please quote one deal where anyone said anything about only future prospects coming back in a Bieber deal. Go ahead, I'll wait. Just another example of moving goal posts to fit a narrative.

The cookie cutter approach to prospect development doesn't work and never has. Lumping an entire career together prior to maturity isn't worth a damn thing. I don't need Will Brennan to be Michael Brantley. He's already better defensively than Brantley could ever hope to be and he outperformed Brantley in their initial exposures. Brantley didn't post the kind of numbers Brennan did in his short stint until he was 27 yrs old. Will has earned a longer look and if he continues to hit/play like he has since turning pro then he deserves more than just a look.

I think it’s reasonable to assume any team trading for Bieber would not be creating other holes in their lineup by sending starters in return to the Guardians.

 

[CATS44]

I think that few posters understand just how good....and rare...a hitter like Brantley...and Kwan...are.

As I said earlier, Kwan is a savant, having a skill that is otherworldly.

Comparing in any way a kid like Brennan to a Kwan is like comparing any power hitting prospect to Manny Ramirez.

You can't teach what Kwan and Manny can/could do. You can't learn it, and it can't be developed. You either have it or you don't. The same to some extent with Brantley.

Brennan does not have more upside than Kwan. And Kwan is just beginning.

 

[CDAV45]

I think it’s reasonable to assume any team trading for Bieber would not be creating other holes in their lineup by sending starters in return to the Guardians.

Simply not true and history proves that out.

 

[DCTribefan]

Simply not true and history proves that out.

Not impossible, yes, but very unlikely.

 

[sportscoach]

I think that few posters understand just how good....and rare...a hitter like Brantley...and Kwan...are.

As I said earlier, Kwan is a savant, having a skill that is otherworldly.

Comparing in any way a kid like Brennan to a Kwan is like comparing any power hitting prospect to Manny Ramirez.

You can't teach what Kwan and Manny can/could do. You can't learn it, and it can't be developed. You either have it or you don't. The same to some extent with Brantley.

Brennan does not have more upside than Kwan. And Kwan is just beginning.

Brennan has more upside because Kwan really isn't going to get much better than he is now... Brennan has more power potential than Kwan ever will plus he gets on base at a solid clip and he has solid bat to ball skills, way better than you guys are rating him...

Kwan has two elite skills in the batters box and honestly, those skills will always make you a solid hitter... There isn't any ifs ands or buts about it. Outside of those elite skills, he is average in anything else...

 

[Criznit]

I know what I'm talking about so try to keep up. I was an advocate of trading him the year prior which ties into Bieber's situation. Maybe you need to go back and look what happened in 2019? Now I'll disengage.

Go Guards because somehow you're trying to twist shit and act like I'm not a fan.

Your quote: Remind them of Kluber and how we were lucky to get anything for him at all.

Really? Why is that exactly? Were you serious?

 

[Real Deal]

Can't believe we have one more night's worth of sleep before the big marathon starts.

 

[macbdog]

Can someone please quote one deal where anyone said anything about only future prospects coming back in a Bieber deal. Go ahead, I'll wait. Just another example of moving goal posts to fit a narrative.

The cookie cutter approach to prospect development doesn't work and never has. Lumping an entire career together prior to maturity isn't worth a damn thing. I don't need Will Brennan to be Michael Brantley. He's already better defensively than Brantley could ever hope to be and he outperformed Brantley in their initial exposures. Brantley didn't post the kind of numbers Brennan did in his short stint until he was 27 yrs old. Will has earned a longer look and if he continues to hit/play like he has since turning pro then he deserves more than just a look.

Bieber is the centerpiece of the Otani/Trout trade I've championed. Fans can't hate him if he helps get the club two legends.

 

[KluberSociety]

Brennan has more upside because Kwan really isn't going to get much better than he is now... Brennan has more power potential than Kwan ever will plus he gets on base at a solid clip and he has solid bat to ball skills, way better than you guys are rating him...

Kwan has two elite skills in the batters box and honestly, those skills will always make you a solid hitter... There isn't any ifs ands or buts about it. Outside of those elite skills, he is average in anything else...

Getting on base is a result, not a skill, and right now Brennan isn't showing the skills to get on base NEARLY as much as Kwan. Nobody here has underestimated Brennan's bat to ball skills, we've all said he has really good skills there. They just aren't the elite savant level skills possessed by Kwan and Brantley.

And maybe Kwan isn't going to get much better than he is now, but Brennan has to get a lot better than he is now just to reach Kwan. I'd give you even money that Brennan never reaches what Kwan is now. Not because I don't think he has some potential but just because I see where he is at now.

Kwan compared to Brennan is:
Better bat-to-ball
Better approach
I'll just give them a draw on fielding but I believe Kwan is better
Faster foot speed
Weaker throwing arm
Less raw power (game power I'm not sure about)

Add that all up and it's pretty obvious where things stand and why it will be hard for Brennan to ever reach Kwan.

 

[sportscoach]

Getting on base is a result, not a skill, and right now Brennan isn't showing the skills to get on base NEARLY as much as Kwan. Nobody here has underestimated Brennan's bat to ball skills, we've all said he has really good skills there. They just aren't the elite savant level skills possessed by Kwan and Brantley.

And maybe Kwan isn't going to get much better than he is now, but Brennan has to get a lot better than he is now just to reach Kwan. I'd give you even money that Brennan never reaches what Kwan is now. Not because I don't think he has some potential but just because I see where he is at now.

Kwan compared to Brennan is:
Better bat-to-ball
Better approach
I'll just give them a draw on fielding but I believe Kwan is better
Faster foot speed
Weaker throwing arm
Less raw power (game power I'm not sure about)

Add that all up and it's pretty obvious where things stand and why it will be hard for Brennan to ever reach Kwan.

Brennan does not have a weaker arm or less raw power... Brennan was a pitcher in college for heavens sake. He definitely has the better arm...