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Donovan Mitchell: All-NBA BEST Team

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Grade the Trade

  • A+

    Votes: 71 25.5%

  • A

    Votes: 109 39.2%

  • B

    Votes: 60 21.6%

  • C

    Votes: 26 9.4%

  • D

    Votes: 5 1.8%

  • F

    Votes: 7 2.5%
  • Total voters
    278
foucault87 said:
Can we stop having this Lauri/Donovan thing every 2 weeks. Lauri was awesome with Utah. He may have turned into that player here or maybe not. We can't know. We traded for Spida. Its done. Lets figure out how to build around the pieces we have and not the ones we used to
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We posters can't really build around anything because it isn't up to us. And if we're just discussing the best path forward, I think that also involves questioning/discussing whether the players we already have fit together in a way that they are at least as good as the sum of their parts.

I'm in the camp that having your two primary scorers/ballhandlers in the backcourt means you'll never be as good as the sum of your parts.
 
TheISHT said:
Hmmmmmm........my argument would be Shai and Luka should not be rewarded as first team all NBA missing the playoffs. In my mind, not making the playoffs should be a disqualifier from 1st Team. All 1st teamers should be able to carry their team to the top half of the League.
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I like Mitchell, but I don't think he generally makes players around him better.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
I like Mitchell, but I don't think he generally makes players around him better.
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Apparently, neither does Shai or Luka regardless of their numbers (if we want to make a numbers debate).

When DG was down early in the season, I thought D Mitchell kept us afloat and showed he could lead a playoff-level team. Really though, I have more of a problem with Luka and Shai being rewarded for losing, there are other guards I could put in front of Mitchell regardless of numbers. It sends the wrong message to "get yours" though when you don't even make the play-in or out of it. If you are 1st team, there should be evidence that you've carried a team "that season".
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
We posters can't really build around anything because it isn't up to us. And if we're just discussing the best path forward, I think that also involves questioning/discussing whether the players we already have fit together in a way that they are at least as good as the sum of their parts.

I'm in the camp that having your two primary scorers/ballhandlers in the backcourt means you'll never be as good as the sum of your parts.
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I'm not sure about that. We've seen a lot of teams work with two or even more playmaker. Look at Den, 2020 LA, GSW, or the Heatles. Our coach just does an awful job of using those pieces creatively. Not a fault of mitchland
 
inliner311 said:
I don't think Garland would be asked to carry the team, Brown would be. Also I'm not sure Boston would trade Brown for Garland. I think they would be asking for more than just Garland for us to get Brown. I think Brown for Mitchell is a very close to a straight trade.
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So what we took away from watching Brown poop down his leg when Boston needed him against Miami is that Brown can be asked to carry a team? Interesting.

I'm not sure a guy that can't dribble the ball can carry a team in the modern NBA. That's somewhat been the worry with Mobley in the first two years, hasn't it? Even the days of a big being able to camp on the block and control a game from there are over. The past two MVP's are the two best bigs in the game and both have the ability to handle the ball and create.
 
foucault87 said:
I'm not sure about that. We've seen a lot of teams work with two or even more playmaker. Look at Den, 2020 LA, GSW, or the Heatles. Our coach just does an awful job of using those pieces creatively. Not a fault of mitchland
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Those teams all have one playmaker in the backcourt, and one in the frontcourt, which I think is great. It keeps the ball moving both horizontally and vertically on the court, and ensures the big guys stay involved.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
Those teams all have one playmaker in the backcourt, and one in the frontcourt, which I think is great. It keeps the ball moving both horizontally and vertically on the court, and ensures the big guys stay involved.
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Mobley and to a lesser extent Allen can be that for us
 
foucault87 said:
Mobley and to a lesser extent Allen can be that for us
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Mobley needs to build out his offensive game for him to become that for us. Teams will just dare him to score if he doesn't have a good offensive game to draw in the defense. LNJ was a nice passer but really couldn't create for himself so not much came from his playmaking.
 
foucault87 said:
Mobley and to a lesser extent Allen can be that for us
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So we're getting rid of one of the two backcourt guys? Because that's my point - two ball-dominant backcourt guys being your top scorers will always mean the whole will be less than the sum of your parts.

It doesn't work. Neither Mobley nor Allen will get enough touches to develop properly with our current backcourt.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
So we're getting rid of one of the two backcourt guys? Because that's my point - two ball-dominant backcourt guys being your top scorers will always mean the whole will be less than the sum of your parts.

It doesn't work.
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I'm trying to think of counter examples and the first three that come to mind are 04 det, gsw, and the dumars/Thomas pistons. So it can be done, but its not common. I think our 2 guys have the talent, mentality, and skillets. We just need a better game plan that takes advantage of their off ball skills
 
TheISHT said:
Hmmmmmm........my argument would be Shai and Luka should not be rewarded as first team all NBA missing the playoffs. In my mind, not making the playoffs should be a disqualifier from 1st Team. All 1st teamers should be able to carry their team to the top half of the League.
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No because basketball is a team game and Mitchells supporting cast is way better. Put him on the Mavs or Thunder and he doesn't make the playoffs either
 
foucault87 said:
I'm trying to think of counter examples and the first three that come to mind are 04 det, gsw, and the dumars/Thomas pistons. So it can be done, but its not common. I think our 2 guys have the talent, mentality, and skillets. We just need a better game plan that takes advantage of their off ball skills
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Those Piston guard pairings were tenacious defenders with ELITE big men rim protection. We sort of have the latter but not at their level and don't have the former. GSW had a MVP caliber PG and crazy depth to win their non Durant titles which we won't have.
 
foucault87 said:
I'm trying to think of counter examples and the first three that come to mind are 04 det, gsw, and the dumars/Thomas pistons. So it can be done, but its not common. I think our 2 guys have the talent, mentality, and skillets. We just need a better game plan that takes advantage of their off ball skills
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I think if Mobley was here first and had time to develop, we could work in an offense of Garland and Mitchell. The problem is that both will be unhappy to give up the amount of touches for Mobley to get to where he needs to be for him to be an offensive hub to make the most of Garland and Mitchell off the ball.
 
inliner311 said:
I think if Mobley was here first and had time to develop, we could work in an offense of Garland and Mitchell. The problem is that both will be unhappy to give up the amount of touches for Mobley to get to where he needs to be for him to be an offensive hub to make the most of Garland and Mitchell off the ball.
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It just goes back to being a coaching problem. Maybe Mitchell and Garland are unhappy, but it’s up to the coach to manage that and to clearly lay out a plan for them to show that’s what’s best for them and the team in the long-run. It’s not like what we’re describing has never been an issue before in the history of basketball.

Now, if they know the plan, the team’s playing well, and they’re still unhappy because Mobley’s getting more touches, then someone’s got to go. The thing is I think since Mitchell and Garland are such good shooters they could eventually make it work, but I don’t think JBB has the tools to navigate that situation.
 
Bob_The_Cat said:
It just goes back to being a coaching problem. Maybe Mitchell and Garland are unhappy, but it’s up to the coach to manage that and to clearly lay out a plan for them to show that’s what’s best for them and the team in the long-run. It’s not like what we’re describing has never been an issue before in the history of basketball.

Now, if they know the plan, the team’s playing well, and they’re still unhappy because Mobley’s getting more touches, then someone’s got to go. The thing is I think since Mitchell and Garland are such good shooters they could eventually make it work, but I don’t think JBB has the tools to navigate that situation.
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I would also say that's something you would implement immediately when Mitchell got here, not a season into them playing together. If you try to implement it now there is more chances it fails because they will always look to dominating the ball as a fall back since it worked this season.
 
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