bushwick_bill
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Personal catchers are neither dumb nor rare. I don't care what level of ball any pitcher made it to there was a catcher on the team they felt more at ease throwing to...felt more insynch with how they wanted to attack hitters and just felt more confident throwing to. The naive statement is saying they are professionals and therefore don't have or shouldn't have a preference. Also, Vogts exact quote was HE doesn't believe in personal catchers...that doesn't mean he's going to ignore his veteran aces believe or preference.Well finally...a manager that gets this. Pitchers don't need a damn personal catcher. Dumbest thing ever.
When I pitched games I never cared one bit who the catcher was. It was always my game not his. I threw what I wanted and where I wanted. Vogt. a long time major league catcher apparently agrees with me. Very few major league pitchers give a damn who's doing the catching. Very, very few.Personal catchers are neither dumb nor rare. I don't care what level of ball any pitcher made it to there was a catcher on the team they felt more at ease throwing to...felt more insynch with how they wanted to attack hitters and just felt more confident throwing to. The naive statement is saying they are professionals and therefore don't have or shouldn't have a preference. Also, Vogts exact quote was HE doesn't believe in personal catchers...that doesn't mean he's going to ignore his veteran aces believe or preference.
Good for you and while you're correct its always the pitcher's game it's easier "playing catch" with certain people. And frankly you're way off on the very few...very few may have the standing to make the request and even fewer may be able to get the request accommodated but more than very few have a preference. I should add I'm specifically talking about starters, just so we're not lumping all pitchers with starters.When I pitched games I never cared one bit who the catcher was. It was always my game not his. I threw what I wanted and where I wanted. Vogt. a long time major league catcher apparently agrees with me. Very few major league pitchers give a damn who's doing the catching. Very, very few.
When stat people start attaching ERA's to the catcher then I'll consider your argument.Good for you and while you're correct its always the pitcher's game it's easier "playing catch" with certain people. And frankly you're way off on the very few...very few may have the standing to make the request and even fewer may be able to get the request accommodated but more than very few have a preference. I should add I'm specifically talking about starters, just so we're not lumping all pitchers with starters.
When stat people start attaching ERA's to the catcher then I'll consider your argument.
Vogt said that wouldn't be the case.I think personal catchers are applicable when you've got a guy like Tim Wakefield (Doug Mirabelli) who throws an obscure ass pitch 95% of the time. Shane Bieber does not need a personal catcher.
As an alternative argument.. it could be that Vogt responded to the bigger question: who controls the lineup card?.. Any infringement into the subject, however slight, would be met with aggressive response.. This is an area/subject that a manager, especially a new manager, would guard with vigor...Vogt said that wouldn't be the case.
He sure as hell shouldn't. And I truly doubt that happens. And yes , personal catchers is a stupid idea. Most managers don't do it, especially when the gap is so wide between 1 and 2.
When I pitched games I never cared one bit who the catcher was
About the same as my experience, I didn't get home til 1am and don't mind watching recording if I don't know the end result. Accidentally caught the final score while returning texts about the 5th inning, so I drifted to sleep happily.Well I'm proud of my self. I stayed up through the 6th inning and then called it a night midway through. The key was recording it and watching an episode of Tokyo Vice so I could 4-click through the commercials. (I would have absolutely fallen asleep during a commercial break).
Recording sporting events has absolutely ruined live sporting events for me, but it has revolutionized my at home experience.
hmm... sort of disagree with some of this.. The sad amateur career stuff isn't salient to the point.. and you know that..Nobody gives a shit about your sad amateur career, not sure why you keep referencing it.
Makes your argument sound even less credible.
That can’t be stressed enough, you and actual big league pitching programs have a gap the size of a canyon.
That is evident in your posts.