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Didn't get to see the game. Oh well. Down year. Woulda been nice to have Deshaun. Hopefully Ross stays
 

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Firing Thad Matta would be so fucking stupid.

Who else would you replace him with...? Better question, name a better coach/recruiter.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Based on talking to LaQuinton Ross, my immediate gut feeling is that he's gone.</p>&mdash; Ben Axelrod (@BenAxelrod) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenAxelrod/statuses/446728577422483456">March 20, 2014</a></blockquote>
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that excited to play overseas ?
 

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LQR foolishly following DT's footsteps into Europe.

Whatever. I'm looking forward to most of these guys being gone.

And @Stallone, there are plenty of coaches better than Thad. Much better. But they would never come here. Unfortunately, Thad is as good as it gets for us.
 

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Some real #HOT #SPORTS #TAKES on Thad Matta in here.

I know I've sure hated watching his teams win an average of 30 games over the last five years. The guy is a great coach and great recruiter. If you want OSU to get rid of him, you're a fucking moron.

Also, Ross leaving would be akin to Thomas leaving last year. The guy's game is pretty much maxed out. I'm sure he'll be quite content making six figures over in Europe. The good news is that guys like Keita Bates-Diop and a sophomore Marc Loving can really soften the blow of Ross leaving.

My way too early take on next year's starting 5:

PG - Shannon Scott
SG - D'Angelo Russell
SF - Sam Thompson
PF - Marc Loving
C - Amir Williams (ugh)

Key rotation players: SF/PF Keita Bates-Diop, SF Jae'sean Tate, SG Kameron Williams, C Trey McDonald
 

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I'm not advocating replacing Thad Matta, because they shouldn't, but to say he's a great "coach" is a real stretch. He sets up good schemes, and seemingly prepares well for games, but he leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to adjustments, developing and utilizing his bench, and giving ample time to freshman who aren't 5 star recruits to develop.

The not developing his bench plays along with the lack of adjustments. He has a tough time making a change to bring a bench guy who matches up better, because he doesn't trust them, because from the beginning of the season they haven't received enough playing time.

JD Weatherspoon, Jordan Sibert & Walter Offutt are specific examples of 3 talented guys he just didn't do anything with, and QRoss was on that path as well until he finally got playing time because Thad was desperate to find offense. Would not be surprised at all to see Kam Williams get very little burn next season and then transfer. I understand the want to ride the more talented starters, but this is an issue OSU continues to have.
 
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I'm not advocating replacing Thad Matta, because they shouldn't, but to say he's a great "coach" is a real stretch. He sets up good schemes, and seemingly prepares well for games, but he leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to adjustments, developing and utilizing his bench, and giving ample time to freshman who aren't 5 star recruits to develop.

The not developing his bench plays along with the lack of adjustments. He has a tough time making a change to bring a bench guy who matches up better, because he doesn't trust them, because from the beginning of the season they haven't received enough playing time.

JD Weatherspoon, Jordan Sibert & Walter Offutt are specific examples of 3 talented guys he just didn't do anything with, and QRoss was on that path as well until he finally got playing time because Thad was desperate to find offense. Would not be surprised at all to see Kam Williams get very little burn next season and then transfer. I understand the want to ride the more talented starters, but this is an issue OSU continues to have.

Agreed with all points.
 

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Ross isn't half the player DT was

I like Spoon, I wish he would've kept around because he's a Columbus kid. But he was sitting behind Sully, DT & Ravenel. Tough for him to get burn with those guys around when he's mainly a leaper and he left when things opened up.

Can't remember exactly what was going on with Sibert. Would've been nice to get him more PT but he couldn't buy a 3 here. He lost all his confidence

This years team just wasn't that good, Mainly offensively. Ross isn't a #1 option. We had a bunch of glue guys, Role players and Ross the 1 guy who does have some offensive skill was limited because he can't dribble to get his shot or create for someone else. Cherry on top is Amir Williams is a disaster
 

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Some real #HOT #SPORTS #TAKES on Thad Matta in here.

I know I've sure hated watching his teams win an average of 30 games over the last five years. The guy is a great coach and great recruiter. If you want OSU to get rid of him, you're a fucking moron.

Also, Ross leaving would be akin to Thomas leaving last year. The guy's game is pretty much maxed out. I'm sure he'll be quite content making six figures over in Europe. The good news is that guys like Keita Bates-Diop and a sophomore Marc Loving can really soften the blow of Ross leaving.

My way too early take on next year's starting 5:

PG - Shannon Scott
SG - D'Angelo Russell
SF - Sam Thompson
PF - Marc Loving
C - Amir Williams (ugh)

Key rotation players: SF/PF Keita Bates-Diop, SF Jae'sean Tate, SG Kameron Williams, C Trey McDonald

That should be a top 25 team. If Ross didn't leave we would be really good.
 

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Ross isn't half the player DT was

I like Spoon, I wish he would've kept around because he's a Columbus kid. But he was sitting behind Sully, DT & Ravenel. Tough for him to get burn with those guys around when he's mainly a leaper and he left when things opened up.

Can't remember exactly what was going on with Sibert. Would've been nice to get him more PT but he couldn't buy a 3 here. He lost all his confidence

This years team just wasn't that good, Mainly offensively. Ross isn't a #1 option. We had a bunch of glue guys, Role players and Ross the 1 guy who does have some offensive skill was limited because he can't dribble to get his shot or create for someone else. Cherry on top is Amir Williams is a disaster
Ravenel getting playing time over him is the problem I outlined. He literally provided nothing but being a big body. Weatherspoon was raw as a player but at worst was not going to be any more of a deterrent to team success than Ravenel, but his upside was much greater. But Rav got the minutes because he was a junior. I'm still puzzled on this as well, because the guy couldn't get playing time for Boston College.

Sibert's situation is a lot easier to rationalize as he was behind Lighty, Craft, Buford and Diebler and rightfully so. Just don't get why Lenzelle Smith was abruptly thrown higher on the rotation the following year.
 
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Ravenel getting playing time over him is the problem I outlined. He literally provided nothing but being a big body. Weatherspoon was raw as a player but at worst was not going to be any more of a deterrent to team success than Ravenel, but his upside was much greater. But Rav got the minutes because he was a junior. I'm still puzzled on this as well, because the guy couldn't get playing time for Boston College.

Ravenel wasn't a great player but he served a purpose. Big body to help Sully in the paint who was a little bit of a liability on defense and to protect him. He did the same for DT last year. It was just tough for him to see minutes, His freshmen year Lighty would move to the 4 to close out games
 

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And on next years team, I'd be shocked if Della Valle isn't taking major minutes from Kam or Tate (not saying I want that, because I don't, just seems likely). Diop should probably start from day one.
 
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Don't worry guys. Kam will save us next year.
 
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