2013 Cavs Mr clutch... Omri Casspi

[Tornicade]

I wonder if Maximus has seen Casspi working out in Cleveland

 

[Lee]

According to those stats we should start Omri, Miles, Andy, and Ellington and cut Kyrie, Livingston, Dion and Tristan.

So in a Bizarro World that those stats create, I agree Omri is should not be cut.

Look, no one wants to see a Jew succeed more as a NBA player than me. but it appears we are best left as the agents and the owners.

Such is life, get over Omri already, I know the Cavs are about to.

 

[Tornicade]

According to those stats we should start Omri, Miles, Andy, and Ellington and cut Kyrie, Livingston, Dion and Tristan.

So in a Bizarro World that those stats create, I agree Omri is should not be cut.

Look, no one wants to see a Jew succeed more as a NBA player than me. but it appears we are best left as the agents and the owners.

Such is life, get over Omri already, I know the Cavs are about to.

Well you have to factor in attempts. I posted the chart mostly in fun.. i could certainly have put in 300 plus attempts and then it would omit all the guys in front of Irving and Waiters. Mike Browns hiring. )Casspi was always a guy coveted under the system bBrown runs anyways) and the likelyhood of a big man being drafted and the flat play of Gee. baring any free agent acquisitions Casspi might not only be retained but starting at the beginning of the year.

 

[TheAdmin]

They should make him a RFA. Won't offer him anything more then the QO though.

 

[Douglar]

They should make him a RFA. Won't offer him anything more then the QO though.

If the Cavs don't pick up a new SF in the draft, it certainly makes sense to keep Casspi on a 1 year contract. It also opens up more trade possibilities and Casspi was attracting trade interest inspite of his weak season.

Seems hard to believe that Casspi could do worse under Mike Brown. I got the feeling last year that Casspi really struggled in Scott's "sink or swim" offense and I also felt that his professional relationship with Scott wasn't always smooth and he spent a lot of time in the coach's dog house.

 

[kidduck]

Well you have to factor in attempts. I posted the chart mostly in fun.. i could certainly have put in 300 plus attempts and then it would omit all the guys in front of Irving and Waiters. Mike Browns hiring. )Casspi was always a guy coveted under the system bBrown runs anyways) and the likelyhood of a big man being drafted and the flat play of Gee. baring any free agent acquisitions Casspi might not only be retained but starting at the beginning of the year.

Casspi is one of the worst defensive players in the NBA. How does that fit into a Mike Brown system?

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Well I'm convinced about Casspi now. Lock the "hole at SF" thread. We've got our man.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Casspi is one of the worst defensive players in the NBA. How does that fit into a Mike Brown system?

Mike Brown has a history of taking terrible defensive players and turning them into passable defenders. He did it for years here in Cleveland with the flaming trash heap of players he was given.

 

[Tornicade]

Casspi is one of the worst defensive players in the NBA. How does that fit into a Mike Brown system?

Going by his defensive Rating? his situational opponents effectiveness? or teams over point production?

did you really buy the line that Casspi was benched for his Defense last season? or you basing this on his 500 minutes that Scott actually allowed him to play and was able to demonstrate consistency and improvement when he did get stretches of consistent rotation minutes.

hmm worst defensvive player ... in the NBA.. is this a racial stereotype?

Meanwhile Casspi Led the team in steal %. was fifth in block percentage and was second in defensive rebound %

The guy should of gotten more than 500 minutes and his production this year was enough that he earned those minutes.

Despite all the praise for Gee and his spotlight steals a couple times per game. he didnt really perform much better than Casspi defensively production wise which generally got overlooed because AV got hurt.. Gee didnt have that luxury this year and showed what looked good wasnt necessarily good.

Brown will look at the tape of Gee and Casspi then in practice. Brown is going to take the time to speak Casspi;s language and he will earn minutes under the new regime if he stays on the team and he will most likley be more productive in Browns roll out schemes than Gee,

 

[TwoPistols]

It's hard to argue for playing a guy when he struggles to consistently make wide open layups.

 

[AuxiliaryPie]

I blame casspi's shortcomings on Byron, i would really like to give him another shot. Hes a big SF who at one point was pretty good

 

[CavsFanJapan]

Players with team options (QO's) such as Omri, is it possible to use them in a trade before July 1st (like a draft day trade) and make the receiving team consider the option or not? He technically is still under contract correct? So could he be used in a trade? Just curious.

 

[Tornicade]

Players with team options (QO's) such as Omri, is it possible to use them in a trade before July 1st (like a draft day trade) and make the receiving team consider the option or not? He technically is still under contract correct? So could he be used in a trade? Just curious.

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Cavs would need to extend a qualifying offer. it would have to be for three years in order to use Casspi as a sign and trade.

[h=4]92. Can a player be given an extension and traded at the same time?[/h] Similar to a sign-and-trade arrangement (see question number 89), a team may sign an eligible player to an extension (see question number 58) and immediately trade him to another team. Such an "extend-and-trade" is limited to three seasons, which include any seasons remaining on the player's current contract[SUP]1[/SUP]. The salary in the first season of the extension can have a 4.5% raise over the last season of the existing contract, and subsequent raises are limited to 4.5% of the salary in the first season of the extension.
A player cannot be traded in an extend-and-trade after the season (for example, on draft day) in the last season of his contract, or in any season that might be the last season due to an option or ETO.

also sign and trades cannot be done until the next season begins. which is july 1st.

so in neither scenario could Casspi be traded. Same goes for any other Cavs without a 2013-14 contract

 

[wuck]

Im not sure I understand here what the trade would be. He has no contract and less thana month on his current salary. theres no value benfit in trading an rfa with no deal at this point.

When did Casspi's 2012-2013 contract end? After the Cavs last game? (I'm assuming that must be it)

If it were possible to trade an RFA before the qualifying offer, I think there could be value there for another team. For instance, let's say another team absolutely loved Casspi or Ellington. If they traded for them before the QO was offered, and were able to extend a qualifying offer themselves, then they would have the right to match any contract for that particular free agent. That's a pretty big prize.

I don't remember ever hearing about that happening, so I assume there are rules against it.

 

[Tornicade]

When did Casspi's 2012-2013 contract end? After the Cavs last game? (I'm assuming that must be it)

If it were possible to trade an RFA before the qualifying offer, I think there could be value there for another team. For instance, let's say another team absolutely loved Casspi or Ellington. If they traded for them before the QO was offered, and were able to extend a qualifying offer themselves, then they would have the right to match any contract for that particular free agent. That's a pretty big prize.

I don't remember ever hearing about that happening, so I assume there are rules against it.

yeah i changed my post a bit to get the exact mechanics.

but signs and trades cannot be done after the 1st game of the nba season. the next season doesnt begin until July 1st. and we have passed the trade deadline for expirings.

In order to make their free agent a restricted free agent, a team must submit a qualifying offer to the player between the day following the last game of the NBA Finals and June 30.

also a qualifying offer has to be made by the team he played with the preceeding season. esentially sealing off any ability to trade his rfa rights.
Casspi is a Free agent unless The Cavs make a QO