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Houston was #1 in Team D this year without JJ Watt :conf (8):
 
If Garrett is a 97 than Watson is an 84.
 
I know their just numbers but look at the Texans. JJ Watt is a 99 when healthy. Their QB's over the course of his career there have collectively been an 80 at best. How did they make the playoffs without their 99 and with at 74 QB?

They have another player on defense who's a 95 and getting better!
 
Los216 said:
How did they make the playoffs without their 99 and with at 74 QB?
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Because their division sucks?

Houston was, I believe, 29th in the league in DVOA.

I'm not sure they are the poster child for this argument.

If your goal is to just get to the playoffs by virtue of an awful division competition, maybe.
 
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AZ_ said:
Think both of you are missing some key points.

To your point, I'd remind you that he's not trying to compare the skillset of Jones to that of Watson, but the situation of having them perform like a champion and raise their draft stock.

While I agree with your assessment of having a close call and giving the edge to the quarterback, this also isn't one of those situations.

I can't imagine there is anyone out there that matters who believes Watson is even remotely close to Myles Garrett or Jon Allen as a prospect.

He just isn't, and one game doesn't a career make. Perhaps he is a first round pick, potentially even at the back end of the top half round 1.

But this isn't a 97 vs 95 situation.
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I think aside from Watson putting up 2 gigantic games vs Alabama in the final, what makes him divisive is how hot and cold he runs. (Imo) he just doesn't have consistent, elite accuracy and that's the main thing holding him back from being an elite prospect. For every perfect touch throw downfield he makes, he'll miss an open guy just on an over/underthrow. If you put together a highlight tape of his it'll look spectacular, but that doesn't tell the whole story with him.
 
Last year: Don't take Bosa, look at the Texans!
This year: Take Garrett, look at the Texans!

:chuckle:

Just playing Devil's advocate, can't help but laugh at the group think that runs rampant in this subforum. And yes, I know the circumstances (QB prospects) are different this year.

Anyway, I don't think the end goal should be to be like the Texans, who have coasted off of an awful division over the past few years. I'd expect the Titans to rise above them next year, given Mariota's health. Colts have been near their level or better recently despite having an awful roster outside of Luck.
 
I'mWithDan said:
Comparing Cardale Jones to Deshaun Watson makes me think I might be wasting my time....but here goes...

I think many people are too close minded in regards to the defense.....where they think one player can be that transformative. The effect one defensive player has is completely dwarfed by the effect one offensive player can have (QB).

If you (as an organization) rank Garrett as a 97 but Watson as a 95, are you saying you should take Garrett? For arguments sake.....you're deciding, is a great DE prospect worth more than a really, really good QB prospect?

Ultimately, that's really tough to answer. I tend to lean towards gambling on the QB but I understand some people like the opposite. I don't think one opinion is more right than the other, I just think the reasoning you are putting forward and have been putting forward for WHY you would select the defensive player is completely misguided.

I'm not saying draft a QB #1 just because he's a QB. I'm saying don't evaluate a QB based solely on his college statistics or scout rankings. That was why people were pushing back on your comments. There's a lot of gray areas with QB's and you're trying to tell people it is assessed only in black and white. There are plenty of examples of guys who had great college stats who were awful pros and guys who had awful college stats but were great pros. You're trying to be too absolute when assessing Watson's pro prospects. That's all I was responding to.
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I'm not comparing Cardale as a prospect to Deshaun as a prospect. I was comparing their jump up the board due to their performances in the big games at the end of the season. Also I have no problem selecting Watson high if he is worth it at the 12. It's funny you one defensive player on defense when it mentioned defenses. Garrett and Hooker would be added to a team with Collins, Kirksey, Shelton, Haden, Some free agent guys and maybe a Cb in the 2nd round. I'm talking overall defense and yes Garrett added to the team would make a huge difference. I'm not sure you even read what I post and argue just to argue. Great defense win championships and we have a chance to build it " with this draft". Is Watson good enough to pass on the potential to build a great defense in a strong defensive draft. Can you answer that question? There is a strong QB class next year. This year has a strong defensive class with Garrett, Adams Barnett Thomas as DE/linebackers. Hooker and Adams as maybe the best free safety class in a long time. We are primed to get the best DE and the best FS in the class with the DE compared to Julius Peppers and the FS compared to Ed Reed by the coach who coached Ed Reed. Is Watson high enough on your list to pass up the combination of Julius Peppers and Ed Reed with a strong QB class next year. Shit Watson better be Payton fucking Manning or Tom Brady in the NFL. Shit I'll take Ben Roethlisberger... do you think he will be in the same league?
 
Los216 said:
I know their just numbers but look at the Texans. JJ Watt is a 99 when healthy. Their QB's over the course of his career there have collectively been an 80 at best. How did they make the playoffs without their 99 and with at 74 QB?

They have another player on defense who's a 95 and getting better!
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Imagine next year when 99 Watts and 95 Clowney line up together. Man its going to be otherworldly.
 
Urban said:
Last year: Don't take Bosa, look at the Texans!
This year: Take Garrett, look at the Texans!

:chuckle:

Just playing Devil's advocate, can't help but laugh at the group think that runs rampant in this subforum. And yes, I know the circumstances (QB prospects) are different this year.

Anyway, I don't think the end goal should be to be like the Texans, who have coasted off of an awful division over the past few years. I'd expect the Titans to rise above them next year, given Mariota's health. Colts have been near their level or better recently despite having an awful roster outside of Luck.
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I think the plan should be take what the draft gives you. If a draft is strong in defense like this year, you take the best player who happens to be defenders. A team like the Browns with hokes through the roster can't afford to reach. Take the best players.
 
Another perspective, just because.

Mort & Schefter's divisional-round notebook: Deshaun Watson's draft value has soared

From the article:

"Here's what you have with Deshaun Watson," one personnel director said. "He was the first pick in the draft in all mocks a year ago. He struggled some in midseason, so everyone got off him. But these last couple of weeks, he's skyrocketing up to the top 10 picks, with the two playoff game wins. Now people are going to say, 'Wait a minutes, he's played Alabama the past couple of years really well, he won a national championship, he can be a Mariota, he can be a [Dak] Prescott, great character, great kid.' People will not want to miss him. I think he's definitely going in the top 10."

-- Adam Schefter

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...quarterback-deshaun-watson-raises-draft-value
 
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