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No truth to this. Just silly season and Pels using our names as leverage to get more out of others that's really interested.
No truth to this. Just silly season and Pels using our names as leverage to get more out of others that's really interested.
The nba doesn't have a value chart like the NFL. The value changes every draft and it can dramatically change from team to team.
I think the tiers in this draft are Zion then Morant/Barrett then Culver/Hunter/Reddish/White/Garland are in either one or two differnet tiers based on the teams. I think there is a pretty big drop in talent from #8 to #9. Then I could see another talent drop in the mid teens somewhere.
Lol if its 5 + Love for #10 & #17, Cobi should be escorted out of the building.they better be giving us waaaaay more than just 10 and 17 if love is included. They don't have the assets too land love
Well, it does actually. Whether you want to ascribe to it is another story. Here's Kevin Pelton's chart from 2017.
NBA Draft Pick Trade Value Chart - 2017 Version - nbasense
View Kevin Pelton's 2017 Version NBA Draft Pick Trade Value Chart.nbasense.com
But you said there wasn't a chart. I'm showing you that there is. Know it alls are the most boring people on the face of the earth. "Yeah I saw that chart but there's no chart."I saw that chart but if you look at it moving from #3 to #5 like the Hawks did last year would only involve a #30 pick based on that chart. Someone can make a chart but that doesn't mean that NBA GMs will actually use it.
I don't think any GM in the league would use that chart. It's just too hard to equate point values to the NBA draft because it changes so much from year to year and the depth isn't like the NFL.
A NBA GM would more than likely look at their tiers on their board and decide if it's worth it.
But you said there wasn't a chart. I'm showing you that there is. Don't go all Donald Trump on me with the back pedal by saying no GM would use it.
If you take Sexton's play after the Cavs added Brandon Knight, where as you noted, he became a 40% three-point shooter, I think he'd probably a top 2-3 player in this draft. Think about it, a guy who can create his own shot that is a smart shooter, hard worker, and excellent three-point shooter!
I was really hard on Sexton. I still do not believe he can ever become a positive defender nor does he have the vision to be a team's primary pick-and-roll facilitator. BUT, the kid is talented, and even if he only improves a bit more from here on, his shooting ability will make him a high-end rotation player for a decade. I also believe his scoring off drives will improve this year and then you get into high-end shooting guard territory.
His biggest problem will be his defense. It's why he was still a net negative during March and April. Even during that stretch, Sexton was still the worst defensive player in the NBA, and one of the worst defensive starters in NBA history. If he cannot fix his defense, he will not even max out as a net neutral player.
(Side note: this is why I am so concerned about drafting Garland. Sexton works hard on defense, but he just does not have the physical profile to succeed, and Garland is more or less the same. If the Cavs believe in Sexton, which I think they should, then drafting a wing like Hunter or Culver makes much more sense.)
If he becomes even below average on defense, my guess is that as long as he continues to shoot smart and maintains a 38-40% three-point percentage, Sexton ends up at the level of an Eric Bledsoe or CJ McCollum. Bledsoe is criminally underrated, but both players are traditionally +5 win shares players. That should be a multi-time all-star level player. HIs ceiling, though, is probably a +7-8 win shares player, which gets to second/third-best player on a title team level (Kemba Walker, Klay Thompson, etc.).
Please cool it with the Trump references. There's a political forum if you want to take political shots.
But you said there wasn't a chart. I'm showing you that there is. Don't go all Donald Trump on me with the back pedal by saying no GM would use it.
Yeah....John Givony is legit. Has a long track record of having his thumb on the pulse of the NBA come draft time. That's how he got a big paying gig at ESPN, gets retweeted by Woj, etc.No truth to this. Just silly season and Pels using our names as leverage to get more out of others that's really interested.
Maybe with the Cavs but not with the Hawks, all draft season last year he was JJJ or Bamba to the Hawks. Hawks final cut was Doncic and Trae with Doncic being the pick.Yeah....John Givony is legit. Has a long track record of having his thumb on the pulse of the NBA come draft time. That's how he got a big paying gig at ESPN, gets retweeted by Woj, etc.
Not saying it will happen, the the Hawks are clearly at least considering trading 8 and 10 to move up. Which makes sense, because we have a pretty decent recent history of a mid-late lottery pick being the price to move up 3+ spots into the top 5.
The Cavs would get assets for Love, but would have to take bad another bad contract in any deal. Right now, I think there’s a discrepancy between what they think he’s worth and what other teams are offering. The contract, along with his inability to stay healthy, both play into that
Hawks like a number of guys, Little, Cam, Culver, Hunter, Hayes, Sekou, Clarke, etc. Same for every team in this draft.
It's all about value. If the Cavs value having two picks over one higher pick. That's their choice. In this type of draft, that's normal.
Love does make sense but the contract is horrible. We play a space based, PDS style based on tempo, actions, player and ball movement, playmaking and shooting. He is actually a center that makes sense for us. That contract on the other hand . What the hell were the Cleveland FO thinking? He still got four years left 120+ million left
No one will give you assets straight for Love. On the decline. 120 million owed. Good for only 60 games a season. Don't be Rocket fans. I still remember being on bbs and them saying they want cap space and 4th pick from the Lakers for CP3. In reality, if they could get Batum and maybe MKG, they did a heck of a job.
Maybe if we build a roster with defensive liabilities at every position, our opponents will become confused and not know which mismatch to exploit?
If they'll offer #8 and #10 for #4, it seems to me, they would offer #8 and #10 for #5 and #26 if their guy is still on the board at #5.Yeah....John Givony is legit. Has a long track record of having his thumb on the pulse of the NBA come draft time. That's how he got a big paying gig at ESPN, gets retweeted by Woj, etc.
Not saying it will happen, the the Hawks are clearly at least considering trading 8 and 10 to move up. Which makes sense, because we have a pretty decent recent history of a mid-late lottery pick being the price to move up 3+ spots into the top 5.