2019 Series #45 | Indians vs. White Sox | September 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th

[AZ_]

They need to sabermetric up a comeback right here.

 

[Kevalier]

Hunter Wood may as well be wearing a diaper on the mound right now.

 

[Real Deal]

How many more games vs the Tigers?

 

[Joe Charboneau]

We really need Adam Cimber to come in and nail this down. Oh thats right, we only use him for tight spots. He is too valuable for a mop up time.

 

[Arketebel]

How many more games vs the Tigers?

3 = Not Enough

 

[Arketebel]

Disagree. It is moneyball. The Indians invented it and Billy Beane copied it.

Not really moneyball either. Moneyball is all about finding undervalued players and staying away from overvalued players.

The case of Lindor comes down to the Indians devoting 30-40% of their payroll to a single player over the course of 10 seasons. Any sort of injury to Lindor or decline could really doom the team; it's a lot of risk.

10 yrs $300m probably isn't going to get it done either. Machado already set the benchmark, I'm sure Lindor and his representation will want to beat it.

I believe not wanting to pay Lindor would be considered staying away from overvalued players.

Many FA contracts for HOF-worthy players are based on overvaluation. Maybe not for the initial year or few, but over the life of the contract.

Small market teams can't afford to overvalue players due to the chance of injury or under performing. From my understanding, this was the concept of Moneyball, which is based on sabermetrics.

 

[bob2the2nd]

Not really moneyball either. Moneyball is all about finding undervalued players and staying away from overvalued players.

The case of Lindor comes down to the Indians devoting 30-40% of their payroll to a single player over the course of 10 seasons. Any sort of injury to Lindor or decline could really doom the team; it's a lot of risk.

10 yrs $300m probably isn't going to get it done either. Machado already set the benchmark, I'm sure Lindor and his representation will want to beat it.

If Indians offered 300/10 I think he takes it, but honestly what's the difference between 310/10 or 290/10?

That said let's pretend that lindor would make the same amount every year at 310/10, so 31 million a year. That means this year he would have accounted for 27% of the teams season starting salary. Now I grant you that this team payroll may be a higher than normal salary a year. However in three years it probably isn't, or it's damn close.

So in 2022 the team payroll is that 116 million, assuming a minor increase in salary of 2% every year* that means by 2032 frankie would take up about 20% of the teams total payroll. Now I grant you it's an extremely poor assumption he gets paid the same amount every year. But accounting for inflation that just means he probably only takes up 22-23% of the team's total payroll in any given year. A far far cry from the 30 to 40% you're suggesting.

*as we all are aware a new TV contract will get awarded the first year of what would be Frankie's extension. Meaning it's highly likely that the team increases payroll at that point. So assuming a 2% annual payroll increase over 10 years is probably a pretty drastic under assumption.

That said im not making the argument that Frankie wouldn't be an enormous financial investment. But if the Indians played their cards correctly they might be able to limit the big-time hit to a couple of years and then keep the impact to less than 20% of their overall salary for the remaining years.

 

[AZ_]

His agents have made it abundantly clear that there will be no offers necessary, he's not taking them.

He'll be a free agent, and you should enjoy him while he's here.

 

[mrWalrus]

His agents have made it abundantly clear that there will be no offers necessary, he's not taking them.

He'll be a free agent, and you should enjoy him while he's here.

Then we have to trade him this off season.

 

[bob2the2nd]

His agents have made it abundantly clear that there will be no offers necessary, he's not taking them.

He'll be a free agent, and you should enjoy him while he's here.

Link?

Because I can't find anything to indicate as such. I've seen he turned down 100 million a couple of years ago but that's all I can find.

I'm not saying you're wrong but publically there is nothing to indicate as such. Furthermore the Indians dont have to convince his agents they have to convince Frankie who throughout all star week referred to Cleveland as "his city".

If the indians are going to keep him they will probably have to pay him. But as I indicated it's not nearly as difficult as a lot of posters make it seem.

 

[NorthCoastBias]

Then we have to trade him this off season.

They don’t though.

 

[mrWalrus]

They don’t though.

We already lost Manny and Thome and Belle for nothing. It's not happening again.

 

[AZ_]

Link?

Because I can't find anything to indicate as such. I've seen he turned down 100 million a couple of years ago but that's all I can find.

I'm not saying you're wrong but publically there is nothing to indicate as such. Furthermore the Indians dont have to convince his agents they have to convince Frankie who throughout all star week referred to Cleveland as "his city".

If the indians are going to keep him they will probably have to pay him. But as I indicated it's not nearly as difficult as a lot of posters make it seem.

Not public information.

Information I've been told, by someone who would know.

Matches up with the knowledge that there has been no further negotiations since that initial $100M offer.

From my understanding, the Indians have been told not to waste their time.

 

[Stark]

Not public information.

Information I've been told, by someone who would know.

Matches up with the knowledge that there has been no further negotiations since that initial $100M offer.

From my understanding, the Indians have been told not to waste their time.

As in, "don't offer us anything now, because Lindor wants to test free agency but would be open to a return" or "don't waste your time, Lindor isn't resigning in Cleveland"?

 

[AZ_]

As in, "don't offer us anything now, because Lindor wants to test free agency but would be open to a return" or "don't waste your time, Lindor isn't resigning in Cleveland"?

I'd guess both, considering his agents know full well the financial constraints of the team and how it would be nearly impossible to match a free market offer.

But again, just an educated guess.