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Hang on... so right now, today, you would trade Sexton before Okoro? Based on all the times Okoro is triple teamed in the paint? Or his barrel full of 25 pt games? Or maybe because Sexton is too short for his position, and IO fits the mold?

Look, I like the strides IO is taking, but I just don't understand the mentality of trading your best player- a guy you know is good - for a *chance* at a slightly taller version of the same freaking guy.

...I'm just not getting it.
He's averaging 24pts on 4.2 ast and he's only 22, sure let's trade him! I think people forget how bad the last rebuild was. Right now we have 2 guards that have Allstar potential and we're talking about trading one!? Let alone the guy that destroyed the KD, harden, kyrie nets twice LOL.
 
Honestly, the roughest thing for me about Sexton is that even at 8, two guys were drafted right after him that are probably going to be better. Maybe be a lot.

Not his fault. And doesn't mean he isn't gonna be good. But yea, I'd trade him for SGA or MPJ in a hot second.

It’s one thing I’ve always lamented. For a generally bad team throughout some runs, we’ve been incredibly risk averse. MPJr if healthy was going #1 overall and not being passed by 13 teams including the Cavs. He’s also had some cited “attitude issues” on a really good team with vets so who knows what might’ve happened if he was on a dysfunctional team.
 
Jason Lloyd in The Athletic had this on Kevin Porter Jr.

On Thursday, Kevin Porter Jr. became the youngest player in NBA history to score 50 points and pass for 10 assists in a game. He eclipsed LeBron James. Let that sink in.

15. First of all, unfortunately, Porter could still crash. One sensational night does not make a career, and Porter still has a long way to go to prove he’s reliable and accountable. The same week he scored 50, he was fined $50,000 by the league for violating health-and-safety protocols when he visited a strip club in Miami. His comeback story is far, far from complete.


[Was he with J.R. Smith by any chance?]

16. But if Houston figures out how to stabilize Porter and unlock his mammoth talent, it’s going to be awfully embarrassing to the Cavs, who gave him away for a second-round pick that’s top-55 protected and likely never to convey.

17. He always had enough talent to be a star. And the Cavs tried hard to make it work with him, even through all of his personal issues. I wasn’t critical of the organization when it moved on from him because I do believe the Cavs tried everything and, at some point, the player has to be responsible for his own choices.

18. But if Houston can stabilize him and unlock his mammoth potential, the questions the Cavs will have to answer are: Why couldn’t they make it work? What is it about Houston’s system and culture that will allow him to thrive when theirs could not?

19. Again, we’re not at that point. Porter still has the capability of sabotaging his own future. But right now, it doesn’t look good at all for the Cavs.


I agree - it does not look good at all for the Cavs.

I think they handled it very badly. First of all, he was a member of the team and had been assigned a locker. They traded for a player, then took away KPJ's locker and gave it to the new guy, moving Porter to a spot with the G League and 10-day guys. It was a slap in the face and they didn't even talk to him about it beforehand and explain what they were doing and why. He just walked into the locker room and there it was - he had been moved from the adult table to the kids table.

Did it occur to anybody that he might react badly and that maybe they shouldn't do this, or at least talk to him before the fact and make sure there would not be a problem?

You could argue he deserved it from driving around in his Mom's car with her gun in the car and falling asleep at the wheel in the middle of the night. And for immature and erratic bahavior in general. But I would argue that you don't humiliate a person in front of his teammates. If Taurean Prince wanted to wear Porter's number would they have made him switch jerseys, too?

Yes, Porter overreacted. But he never should have had anything to react to in the first place. And the Cavs have placed such an emphasis on culture building that once Porter started screaming obscenities at team officials and throwing food around they either had to release him or admit the whole culture thing was a farce.

I hated it when I found out he was released just a few hours after the camera caught him on the team bench, looking happy and excited and cheering on his teammates. Reports were he was back in the gym and working out individually and getting closer to returning. Then he's gone and now he's playing for another team, inconsistently, but showing phenominal potential. The youngest player in NBA history to score 50 points with 10 assists in a game. And we gave him away.

The Porter giveaway and the Love contract are two decisions that could haunt this franchise for years.
 
Kevin Porter Jr sucks and is a nobody. He doesn't make franchises. He creates number one lottery slots.
 
Kevin Porter Jr sucks and is a nobody. He doesn't make franchises. He creates number one lottery slots.

That’s one way to look at it. If you ignore all the other great players whos teams sucked early on.
 
That’s one way to look at it. If you ignore all the other great players whos teams sucked early on.

If he was on this team putting up the exact same numbers he's putting up now, I guarantee that you'd be riding his ass and talking about how the Cavs can't draft.

Because he hasn't been good this year. But per usual there's always people on this site who hate everything the Cavs do and this just fits right in with that.
 
If he was on this team putting up the exact same numbers he's putting up now, I guarantee that you'd be riding his ass and talking about how the Cavs can't draft.

Because he hasn't been good this year. But per usual there's always people on this site who hate everything the Cavs do and this just fits right in with that.

The 9.3 assists per 100 is something we wouldn't be impressed with? I am. More than Darius
 
The 9.3 assists per 100 is something we wouldn't be impressed with? I am. More than Darius

YOU Would be.

But some of the people, like FrontPageNews, would not be. If he was here, looking exactly the same, he'd hate him. The low efficiency, lack of 3 point shooting, and generally poor advanced statistics would be the talk of the forum.

And I think it would be interesting were he still here. Because I think he looks more like a future tall point guard, who uses his size to make passes smaller guys can't. I'm not sure if he and Darius would co-exist in the long run.

Here's my point: IF you flipped the players and it was Sexton who was traded off for a 2nd and Porter Jr. kept and then they went on to have the exact same season they've had....the majority of people bitching about Porter and the players we have would absolutely, positively be bitching the other way. And everyone knows it.
 
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Porter always had that Harden-esq isolation skill and showed some of his moves in that highlight game but I think it has to be taken with a grain of salt given Giannis went down almost as soon as the ball was tipped and the Bucks are not that good defensively without him.
KPJ could become good enough that the Cavs have some regrets on top of the regret of drafting him in the first place especially with another high risk reward gamble option in Bol Bol available but I doubt it.
Porter could be a all nba player some day, but it's more likely that was the best game he ever has as a pro
 
The porter discussion is water under the bridge. What happened happened and there was no other realistic outcome. I hope he has a great career and keeps his head on (because I like basketball). But he drop kicked himself out of Cleveland.

As for the trading of sexton, I am interested in who would NOT take two firsts for him? Just to satisfy my own curiosity.
 
The porter discussion is water under the bridge. What happened happened and there was no other realistic outcome. I hope he has a great career and keeps his head on (because I like basketball). But he drop kicked himself out of Cleveland.

As for the trading of sexton, I am interested in who would NOT take two firsts for him? Just to satisfy my own curiosity.
depends on what 2 firsts and that makes a huge difference if you mean 2 unknown picks before the draft the answer is no.
If you offer the Cavs a pick at 4th in this draft and 9th in the draft for the Cavs pick at 6 which in this hypothetical case would be Orlando's own and Chicago's which Orlando picked up in the Vuc deal at 4 and 9. Then sure I will trade Sexton if Green is on the board at 4 or trade Garland if Suggs is but Orlando would not do it unless they value the Cavs players more.
The reality is no matter what you want them to do it requires the other team to value Sexton or Garland more than a rookie under more team control with a similar potential etc.
I am surprised how many Cavs fans think rebuilding is supposed to be simple
 
The porter discussion is water under the bridge. What happened happened and there was no other realistic outcome. I hope he has a great career and keeps his head on (because I like basketball). But he drop kicked himself out of Cleveland.

As for the trading of sexton, I am interested in who would NOT take two firsts for him? Just to satisfy my own curiosity.
I would not take 2 firsts for Sexton. Most FRP's don't even pan out so it would be a huge step back. Now if you are talking a sure fire top 5-6 pick from this draft I would trade any of our guys incl Garland and Sexton although I highly doubt either one has that type of value. I would assume Garland is the one with more trade value since teams can probably build around a 6' PG easier than a 6'-1" SG. Sexton is also due an extension which would also reduce his trade value. Hell even Allen was only worth a very late FRP due to his upcoming extension. Unfortunately Sexton might only fetch a late FRP like Allen did but who knows... That would be a huge loss for the Cavs.
It might behoove the Cavs to keep their productive players and try to extend them to *reasonable* deals as none of them are worth anywhere close to worth a max contract. If GM's have the same assessment as this board regarding Sexton than the Cavs should be able to sign him to a very reasonable extension.
 
I would not take 2 firsts for Sexton. Most FRP's don't even pan out so it would be a huge step back. Now if you are talking a sure fire top 5-6 pick from this draft I would trade any of our guys incl Garland and Sexton although I highly doubt either one has that type of value. I would assume Garland is the one with more trade value since teams can probably build around a 6' PG easier than a 6'-1" SG. Sexton is also due an extension which would also reduce his trade value. Hell even Allen was only worth a very late FRP due to his upcoming extension. Unfortunately Sexton might only fetch a late FRP like Allen did but who knows... That would be a huge loss for the Cavs.
It might behoove the Cavs to keep their productive players and try to extend them to *reasonable* deals as none of them are worth anywhere close to worth a max contract. If GM's have the same assessment as this board regarding Sexton than the Cavs should be able to sign him to a very reasonable extension.
I agree they will extend Sexton not trade him for a bad return but I think he will get paid a lot even if its not a max.
 

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