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2020 Draft Prospects Thread

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Because when talking best resume, yes time matters. Thus when you make statements like Tag is the best prospect since luck, or has the best resume of any top 5 NFL QB (whatever that means), longevity comes into play.

I never said he was the best prospect since Luck but ok.

Injuries are a small piece of the puzzle when assessing value. It's not, by any means, what several of you are making it in to. Many teams have made franchise altering mistakes by weighting injuries too heavily and not considering the range of positive outcomes based on talent alone.

Go find material on the best drafting teams in the NFL and see their philosophy on injuries. Good organizations view it as a market inefficiency. A way to acquire a player at a position in the draft they would otherwise likely not be available to or trade up for less than market rate.

Too many absolutes on Tua and injuries. Is it a concern? I mean, sure. When assessing analytical profile, does it matter? Not really. My argument is not that he doesn't have injury concerns, it is that he is possibly undervalued relative to his actual prospect profile. And his actual prospect profile is so good analytically, that a team should merely be playing roulette with the injuries and live with the result.

Many of you are too risk averse, especially relative to the value of a QB.

And yet when you watch the tape he looks considerably worse off as a player translating to the NFL level.

Based on what exactly? He's accurate, throws with anticipation and he's really good against pressure. What other trio would make a QB more likely to succeed? He also just has really nice touch. It's tough for many prospects to accurately throw at varying velocities and that's what can really make someone great who has just adequate arm strength.

You guys are making these blanket statements with no explanation behind them. Refuting isn't just saying something is wrong, it is presenting a compelling argument as to what might disprove that he's a franchise QB prospect.

Unfortunately, collegiate success/analytics are pretty much useless when it comes to how he will translate to the next level.

Set aside the analytics if that is distracting for you guys. I think he also has some of the best recent film of just processing talent. Recognition of coverage, reaction to pressure and just understanding where the ball needs to accurately go. He is exceptionally good at making the correct pre-snap read. He just really understands coverage busting combinations and there's tons of film of him getting the ball out quickly when he needs to and also not bailing on his initial read if he does not. Some of the recognition plays he makes, especially on coverage underneath his desired route are just incredibly good. I think he needs to be a little more careful at the NFL level in the pocket but he has really good pocket awareness, sliding, stepping up, etc. His RPO film is a thing of beauty as well, something that has slowly become more trendy at the NFL level as well.
 
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What if Wirfs isn’t there at 10, but Simmons is? Do you draft Simmons? Trade down?

What are some other good OTs in the second round?
 
What if Wirfs isn’t there at 10, but Simmons is? Do you draft Simmons? Trade down?

What are some other good OTs in the second round?
Simmons won't be there at 10.

If he is, you plan on drafting him. You listen to offers, but someone's gonna have to overpay.
 
What if Wirfs isn’t there at 10, but Simmons is? Do you draft Simmons? Trade down?

What are some other good OTs in the second round?

You take Simmons and don’t even think twice about it.

No way he’s there at 10, though.
 
You take Simmons and don’t even think twice about it.

No way he’s there at 10, though.
Agreed. The construction of the roster so far shows we plan on getting an immediate starting tackle from the draft. Ezra Cleveland is the only name I've heard for a later round and some mocks have him going before the 42nd pick. I think the FO won't want to see if a Josh Jones or someone else falls in the draft. If they are as proactive as they've appeared, they already have there eye on a couple tackles who fit their system the best. Its great to see how they've fit the new guys for their system, without just looking for raw talent. But, we've been fooled before.
 
I begin worrying about plug and play tackles after Josh Jones. I believe the top four of Wirfs, Becton, Wills, and Thomas deserve to be in their own tier, but Jones is right behind as a guy who can start at day one at left tackle.

...after that, the left tackle prospects become projects and the more polished tackles are more run maulers like Matt Peart.
 
I begin worrying about plug and play tackles after Josh Jones. I believe the top four of Wirfs, Becton, Wills, and Thomas deserve to be in their own tier, but Jones is right behind as a guy who can start at day one at left tackle.

...after that, the left tackle prospects become projects and the more polished tackles are more run maulers like Matt Peart.

Ezra Cleveland is pretty good.
 
Ezra Cleveland is pretty good.

He has a lot of buzz because he proved to be a better athlete than expected in the combine. I still have concerns about his physicality in the run game, which had him firmly in the second round before the combine.
 
COMPLETE hypothetical (and not realistic), but IF Isaiah Simmons is on the board with Beckton, Wirfs and Thomas, who are you taking at #10?

Wirfs.

I get it - everyone's drooling over Simmons right now but we REALLY need to solidify our offensive line. The simple fact of the matter is that we won't plug up every hole on our team. We are going to have a weak area or two, but we want to make sure it's not a critical area like O-line. Simmons could be flying all over the field but if Conklin goes down for 4 or 6 or 8 games then our O-line looks just as soft as it did last year. A bad Baker = a bad team, no way around it.
 
COMPLETE hypothetical (and not realistic), but IF Isaiah Simmons is on the board with Beckton, Wirfs and Thomas, who are you taking at #10?

It'd be close, but probably Thomas.

I love Wirfs but not sure about making him a LT. Thomas is a plug and play guy from day one, just so sound technically. I understand the love for Simmons, but I'm not taking Simmons over a future franchise LT.
 
COMPLETE hypothetical (and not realistic), but IF Isaiah Simmons is on the board with Beckton, Wirfs and Thomas, who are you taking at #10?
I'm not a big Becton fan, but if those 4 were all available, I'd look to trade down a bit, still targeting one of the tackles. Its difficult to imagine a scenario where nine guys are drafted before these 4.
 
COMPLETE hypothetical (and not realistic), but IF Isaiah Simmons is on the board with Beckton, Wirfs and Thomas, who are you taking at #10?

I believe that if Simmons is there at ten and even one or two of the top three left tackles are still on the board, Berry is going to be calling teams about trading down. Simmons is the highest impact defender in this draft, so Berry could easily pick up a first rounder in 2021 just to go down a handful of spots, still nabbing a legit left tackle.
 
IF Simmons & one of the better Left Tackles is sitting there when the Browns pick at #10, I'd want them to make a deal & acquire pick #11 (currently the NY Jets).
Give up our 2nd in 2020, one of the 3rd rounders in 2020 & our #1 in 2021. Get back #11 in 2020 & a 2nd rounder in 2021.

Say thank you very much. Take Simmons & the Left Tackle. Wait to pick again in the 3rd round..
 
COMPLETE hypothetical (and not realistic), but IF Isaiah Simmons is on the board with Beckton, Wirfs and Thomas, who are you taking at #10?

Here’s how I think the Browns have them ranked.

1. Wirfs
2. Trade Back
3. Thomas
4. Becton
 

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