2020 NBA Draft

[cabs]

LaMelo Ball reminds me of a longer, more punchable Ricky Rubio. He has some flair and he runs an offense. His field goal percentage will be a roller coaster. His perm won't lessen his punchability.

No one is more punchable than Floppio, flopped Spain to the WC final

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

LaMelo scouting video. Ignore the sassy voice

 

[Alec]

About to deep dive on Toppin film. I could see Dan wanting a Dayton guy.

edit:
His game looks awkward to me. Though he may just be built weird. Shawn Marion. Similar neck.
Bad defensively?
Runs the floor like a gazelle but looks a little stuck in sudden movements Sometimes
Shooting stroke is legit. Modern 4 in that regard. Has a release similar to Garland. Some chest push.
Uses both hands on offense and defense. Will block shots with both. Will finish with both. Has a nice handle for a four. TT should be jealous.
Lacks girth and can be bullied in the paint for boards. Not what you want to see from a 22-year-old in college.
I can’t envision his back to the basket game transitioning to the NBA. He has a nice spin move but I don’t know about It’s viability given NBA length.
Shows creativity with the ball in his hands. Game isn’t too fast for him on offense or defense. Head on a swivel. Good passer.
I think his athleticism is somewhat overrated. Requires deliberate gathers for power. Especially off two feet. But finishes well against contact and flying through the air.

Conclusion:
Definitely draftable at #5. He can score outside, inside. Serious concerns about his defensive commitment and ability. If you don’t think he can resolve that, it’s a problem, but his scoring ability will still tantalize you. It wouldn’t surprise me if a team fell in love with his offensive skills and took him top 2-3.

the issue would be playing him and Love together. He seems very complementary to Drummond. Nance Jr is just too flawed to even be factored into draft decisions so his presence wouldn’t deter me here. If you’re drafting Toppin you need someone who can play the paint and grab boards at 5. Because I don’t see him helping there.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

If you are considering value and roster fit, he seems like the obvious choice to me. He's the big archetype for building around an undersized backcourt that lacks defensive pop.

Lots of Obi momentum in the media with us at 5 though.......which gives me a stomach ache. I can't imagine how horrendous we would be on defense adding him to the guard duo.

#5 is kind of no mans land in this draft for us......if we are operating under the assumption that a guard is not under consideration, that leaves us with only a few obvious choices, at least to me. It seems like it is either OO or Deni. Deni seems to have a lot of Chicago buzz tough, so he may not even be there.

Don't think the 5th spot is a no man's land. I'm mroe disappointed that we get fucked two years in a row. But the 5th spot will have plenty of talent to choose from.
I like Deni. I think he has a lot of potential and a good foundation to build from. I think his major drawbacks is that the track record has been unfavorable for Israeli born players. Lol.

I love Obi's offensive skillset in todays games, quite honestly. But his defense is such a big issue for me. It's not that it's just bad, it's absolutely the worst defense I have seen from a PF/C in my life. Much worse than Amare. I just don't see many teams that can handle such defense from their PF/C as a starter, and certainly not the Cavs who have invested in two lottery backcourt players that are very bad defensively.

Considering fit and bpa, I'm leaning towards Onyeka and perhaps even Deni. Considering BPA only, I THINK I have Haliburton at the top. I think. Really do not know.
Okoro may even be the best long term player. He has got some very good thinks going for him. Heck it could even be Hampton and Hayes. As far as Okoro is concerned, does his adv stats and skillset projects him to become a good role player more than the other guys?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I would place KPJ securely in the wing category with Klay, Harden, and Kawhi. Beal I would consider a guard and I'm not sure KPJ would be able to keep up with his speed in a 7 game series.

I don't think that being too slow to guard Beal makes KPJ a 3/wing. It just means KPJ's a guard who might have a tough time keeping up with Beal. As do most guards, to be honest.

I think he's significantly undersized for a wing. There will be far more wings than guards that he is unable to guard effectively. Also, a "wing" needs to be able to help on stretch 4's on occasion, and he just can't.

To use the traditional position numbers to make the point more clear, he's a natural 2 who will be able to guard some 1's and 3's on occasion. He's not a natural 3 able to guard 2's and 4's on occasion.

 

[inliner311]

To use the traditional position numbers to make the point more clear, he's a natural 2 who will be able to guard some 1's and 3's on occasion. He's not a natural 3 able to guard 2's and 4's on occasion.

I think naturally he falls right between a 2 and a 3. He is going to guard a SG and a SF the best. Probably not going to do a good job on a PG or PF. Maybe a better label is to say he is a small wing.

In terms of drafting our next prospect, I think if Koby pencils in Sexton and KPJ in as starters for the future, he wouldn't overlook a player similar size and build to KPJ at #5. Ideally we would want someone bigger but if he drafted either Edwards, Okoro, or Vassell, I don't think we are scratching our head on their fit like we were with Garland vs Sexton.

 

[daddywags]

Gotta remember that within the past 10 months we've signed Cedi to a 4-year, $31 million contract and drafted Windler at 17. Even if Porter is strictly a guard, adding Vassell or Okoro will crowd our young wing minutes. OTOH, if we don't re-up TT we're left with Love, Nance and a walk year Drummond as bigs.

Just food for thought.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Gotta remember that within the past 10 months we've signed Cedi to a 4-year, $31 million contract and drafted Windler at 17. Even if Porter is strictly a guard, adding Vassell or Okoro will crowd our young wing minutes. OTOH, if we don't re-up TT we're left with Love, Nance and a walk year Drummond as bigs.

Just food for thought.

On the other hand, that salary shows Cedi is a 7th or 8th man and even his agent knows it. Your post also speaks of "wing minutes" and "Windler" in the same sentence. All that's missing from your post is references to the Tooth Fairy and Sasquatch.

In the NBA, you can't have enough wings, in their prime, who deserve floor time. There is no question that the Cavs roster lacks players who fit that description.

 

[inliner311]

Gotta remember that within the past 10 months we've signed Cedi to a 4-year, $31 million contract and drafted Windler at 17. Even if Porter is strictly a guard, adding Vassell or Okoro will crowd our young wing minutes. OTOH, if we don't re-up TT we're left with Love, Nance and a walk year Drummond as bigs.

Just food for thought.

Windler is still really unknown and Cedi looks more like a rotation player but not a starter. I think there is a better chance to carve out significant minutes for a wing than a big right now. I'd take a flyer on a big later in the draft. I would draft Obi Toppin because of his skill set. I'm less inclined to want Wiseman or Okongwu, I don't think the gap between what they project and what we could pick up in free agency would be that big.

 

[Adam]

Windler is still really unknown and Cedi looks more like a rotation player but not a starter. I think there is a better chance to carve out significant minutes for a wing than a big right now. I'd take a flyer on a big later in the draft. I would draft Obi Toppin because of his skill set. I'm less inclined to want Wiseman or Okongwu, I don't think the gap between what they project and what we could pick up in free agency would be that big.

If Dylan Windler plays 50 games in a season I will donate $50 to RCF on top of my subscription. That injury he had took way too long and his frame is not ready for the pros.

 

[inliner311]

If Dylan Windler plays 50 games in a season I will donate $50 to RCF on top of my subscription. That injury he had took way too long and his frame is not ready for the pros.

Windler shouldn't be part of the equation when deciding who to pick a #5. If he becomes a good NBA player that will be an added plus. There should be a huge gap between someone taken at #5 and #26 even if it's two different drafts. Windler will most likely have to prove he deserves minute much more than whoever we draft at #5.

 

[inliner311]

The more I watch and read about Obi Toppin, the less I care that he is 22. He was 6'2 as a junior in high school as a point guard not playing varsity. He grew to 6'5 as a senior but still had no offers to play division 1. Had to go to prep to get college offers and grew another 4 inches.

He is the definition of a late bloomer and learning to play to his size. He still has a weird body for basketball and probably has room to develop even further. He might be slotted as a PF but he is a guy I'd draft and let him find the position that works for him in the NBA. Maybe he ends up a stretch 5 or maybe leans out and is a SF.

 

[MikeOC33]

No one is more punchable than Floppio, flopped Spain to the WC final

Oh yeah? One word. Reggie fucking Miller. Most punch in the faceiest EVER. Even ahead of Bill Laimbeer....and that's sayin' something.

 

[Henry Tuttle]

I honestly hope the Cavs just send Cedi to a legit team, for everyone's sake. I think he could be a solid, affordable role player for someone. That being said, I have no idea what his value is around the league. I'd imagine a couple teams hold him in decent regard, but he probably wouldn't even pull a late 1st. Maybe early 2nd rounder is as good as it gets. Still might be worth it.

 

[JJ_PR]

As I've said before, Precious Achiuwa, Saddiq Bey & Udoka Azubuike are my guys. I'm not concerned with not getting a top 3 pick at all.