2020 NBA Draft

[I'mWithDan]

I'll help drive the bandwagon of a few under the radar guys.....

Reed was just great against Iowa. Just watching him move and run.....he's so smooth and coordinated for 6'8"/6'9".

Little bit of everything.....catch and shoot, off dribble pull ups, floater, finishing inside.....he's just such a well rounded scorer.

I know people will nit at his jumper mechanics......but he gets the ball in a good spot and releases it high.

25, 12, 4, 2, 1 against Iowa.

His shooting splits through 4 games are a laughable 68/71/80.

 

[Nathan S]

Yeah same. I'm eating my words about him being an underwhelming prospect.

He looks so damn smooth and fluid and I really like his shooting form. He looks like he can really take advantage of his crazy tools. Hope we get to see him play a lot.

Ah, sorry, my post was unclear. I didn't think that was a very impressive game by him. Looks like a slightly worse version of Ayton to me. Very tall, great body, nice scoring touch, but not super versatile defensively, no 3-point range, and not able to create offense at a high level because he can't handle the ball or pass very well.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

I'll help drive the bandwagon of a few under the radar guys.....

Reed was just great against Iowa. Just watching him move and run.....he's so smooth and coordinated for 6'8"/6'9".

Little bit of everything.....catch and shoot, off dribble pull ups, floater, finishing inside.....he's just such a well rounded scorer.

I know people will nit at his jumper mechanics......but he gets the ball in a good spot and releases it high.

25, 12, 4, 2, 1 against Iowa.

His shooting splits through 4 games are a laughable 68/71/80.

Does he play kinda like Siakam? they move very similarly.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Ah, sorry, my post was unclear. I didn't think that was a very impressive game by him. Looks like a slightly worse version of Ayton to me. Very tall, great body, nice scoring touch, but not super versatile defensively, no 3-point range, and not able to create offense at a high level because he can't handle the ball or pass very well.

That was obvious.
He is too stiff to guard on the perimeter right now. Like I said, he is more of a Whiteside defensively, but Whiteside was a much better shot blocker. He does remind me of Ayton a bit.

 

[Nathan S]

That was obvious.
He is too stiff to guard on the perimeter right now. Like I said, he is more of a Whiteside defensively, but Whiteside was a much better shot blocker. He does remind me of Ayton a bit.

His game doesn't work on the perimeter on either end. On consecutive possessions in clutch time he bricked an open 3, tried a stepback midrange J and somehow pump faked himself into a travel, and then got double teamed at the top of the key and surely would've turned it over if he hadn't been bailed out by a whistle.

Clearly more comfortable when the game's moving more slowly and he's within 10 feet of the rim (preferably with a 4" height advantage on his defender). Don't think that's gonna fly in the modern NBA.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

His game doesn't work on the perimeter on either end. On consecutive possessions in clutch time he bricked an open 3, tried a stepback midrange J and somehow pump faked himself into a travel, and then got double teamed at the top of the key and surely would've turned it over if he hadn't been bailed out by a whistle.

Clearly more comfortable when the game's moving more slowly and he's within 10 feet of the rim (preferably with a 4" height advantage on his defender). Don't think that's gonna fly in the modern NBA.

He is just too stiff all over. He is stiffer than Ayton, certainly as far as his shooting motion goes. I'll say that I did not think Ayton would shoot NBA 3's very well, and he hasn't shot it at all. His shot was too flat, though his motion was pretty fluid. Wiseman doesn't instill much confidence in me as far as his 3pt projection goes with that form. But we will see.

 

[Muffinalt]

Ah, sorry, my post was unclear. I didn't think that was a very impressive game by him. Looks like a slightly worse version of Ayton to me. Very tall, great body, nice scoring touch, but not super versatile defensively, no 3-point range, and not able to create offense at a high level because he can't handle the ball or pass very well.

Oh my mistake. Interesting, he looked much better than what I was expecting. I do agree with those shortcomings you listed but I thought he wouldn't be so nimble on his feet and so smooth with his movements.

Before his games I was convinced he's an Ayton mentality-wise and would just never be able to utilize his toolset because of no proper effort. He is super raw on both ends and his IQ is the main question mark so those are no good signs of course. Who knows if he will ever improve on them, but now I see a guy that if taught proper fundamentals could be a great player because he has that natural smoothness you crave for in 7 footers. Can't really teach IQ right but he could develop some if he adjusts to how he should be playing.

Maybe I was just too uninformed about what he actually looks like and am now surprised at how athletic and nimble he really is. I usually hate these limited bball iq no effort guys to a fault so i really, really didn't like him coming in. I'm more optimistic now.

 

[Nathan S]

Oh my mistake. Interesting, he looked much better than what I was expecting. I do agree with those shortcomings you listed but I thought he wouldn't be so nimble on his feet and so smooth with his movements.

Before his games I was convinced he's an Ayton mentality-wise and would just never be able to utilize his skillset because of no proper effort. He is super raw on both ends and his IQ is the main question mark so those are no good signs of course. Who knows if he will ever improve on them, but now I see a guy that if thought proper fundamentals could be a great player because he has that natural smoothness you crave for in 7 footers. Can't really teach IQ right but he could develop some if he adjusts to how he should be playing.

Maybe I was just too uninformed about what he actually looks like and am now surprised at how athletic and nimble he really is. I usually hate these limited bball iq no effort guys to a fault so i really, really didn't like him coming in. I'm more optimistic now.

I'd seen him at #1 on some big boards, but knew there were question marks. Was still hoping, though, that he'd look more Embiid-like and less Ayton-like. Alas, he looked pretty Ayton-like. He'll have a long career averaging a fairly efficient 15-20 points and 10 boards per game. But I don't think he's a game-changer at the next level.

 

[Muffinalt]

I'd seen him at #1 on some big boards, but knew there were question marks. Was still hoping, though, that he'd look more Embiid-like and less Ayton-like. Alas, he looked pretty Ayton-like. He'll have a long career averaging a fairly efficient 15-20 points and 10 boards per game. But I don't think he's a game-changer at the next level.

I do agree with that. I want to see if he can ever improve his fundamentals, that would serve him really really well.

I'm sure there will be teams that treat him the same way as Ayton. As in fall in love with the tools he has and hope he improved and gets close to his ceiling. That playing situation is going to be a real curve ball too, unfortunate.

 

[blommen]

I just look at Wiseman and while he does have a great frame and moves really well for a guy his size, he doesn't seem to do any of the things I would want out of a modern star big man, outside of defending the rim and rebounding.

Offensively he hasn't shown anything resembling 3 point range, so I'm skeptical of him being a servicable floor spacer. He hasn't displayed any ability on the perimeter with the ball in his hands, which is paramount when looking to create mismatches against bigger and slower C's. He has shown that he's capable of scoring in the post, a type of possession I don't think holds enough value to be your primary avenue of scoring. He's also shown that he can dunk real well which is cool, I guess.

The funny thing is that I would be more than ready to look past those flaws if he looked like the type of C who could be counted on to defend on the perimeter and switch on to smaller players. I still think that is the most valuable commodity to have in your starting C in the NBA these days. And he is quick, especially for his size, but that is all but meaningless if he isn't able to translate it into actual impact, and while that is certainly something that big men generally have to spend years developing, a lot of them don't and I don't see any indication that makes me comfortable taking that chance with Wiseman.

Again, it's waaaaaaaaay early, but considering the fact Wiseman hasn't shown any facet of his game that I put a premium on when it comes to modern big men, I have my doubts that I will come out on the other side of the college season feeling great about the prospect of picking him with a high end pick.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Does he play kinda like Siakam? they move very similarly.

Somewhat. The more exciting thing with Reed, for me, is he has dramatically extended his range. Something that Siakam developed but didn't really flash all that much in college.

In addition to that range extension, Reed's volume from deep doubled from his freshman to sophomore year.....and through a small sample, has nearly doubled his volume again from sophomore to junior.

He's one pace, through 4 games, to shoot 60+ 3's.....and he's continuing to shoot at a high level, when open and when guarded. His leap in shooting, coupled with his help side rim protection potential, just makes him a really interesting guy to me.

Can anyone think of anyone like him recently? His combo of OREB + BLK + STL + 3'S? With NBA length?

 

[blommen]

Somewhat. The more exciting thing with Reed, for me, is he has dramatically extended his range. Something that Siakam developed but didn't really flash all that much in college.

In addition to that range extension, Reed's volume from deep doubled from his freshman to sophomore year.....and through a small sample, has nearly doubled his volume again from sophomore to junior.

He's one pace, through 4 games, to shoot 60+ 3's.....and he's continuing to shoot at a high level, when open and when guarded. His leap in shooting, coupled with his help side rim protection potential, just makes him a really interesting guy to me.

Can anyone think of anyone like him recently? His combo of OREB + BLK + STL + 3'S? With NBA length?

How does he look on defense? The blocks and steal are nice, don't get me wrong, but is he looking like he knows what he's doing? Footwork, communicating, off ball awareness, positioning, etc.

 

[Nathan S]

Have you been able to watch any Hayes games so far this year, @Sir'Dom Pointer ? Great physical tools for a PG, and per-40 averages of 17.1 points (56% true shooting), 9.5 assists, 2.5 steals+blocks are solid. But 6.9 turnovers per 40 is not solid, and is possibly the highest number I've ever seen in that stat, even higher than Trae or Ja. Where does he land on your big board, roughly?

 

[NMCav]

You are just making assumptions and turning them into facts.

And RJ and him again, are nothing similar.

Nothing similar? Can get to the bucket, okay mid range, lack of legit range. Playmaking ability. Both made for the 90s/Early 00s. Okay nothing similar about them. Lets wait and see. Dudes so over hyped its not even funny.

 

[Nathan S]

If Smart is something like Edwards' floor, then he's a great prospect. Smart ended up being, arguably, the best guard and the 2nd-best lottery pick in his draft after Embiid. Keeps getting better, too; he's played a big part in the Celtics' hot start this season. Would love to have a souped up Smart next to either Sexton or Garland in our backcourt.