2020 NBA Draft

[Henry Tuttle]

Be mad at a rules change, fine, but I can't stand it when people don't change their approach with a change to reality.

I’m honestly not sure what the Cavs could have done differently. They got rid of all the vets who made sense to get rid of. Neither Hill nor Clarkson were moving the needle. I think pretty much everyone here was desperate to get rid of Clarkson. Every other vet basically had to go. I’ve actually been one of those clamoring for the Cavs to really tank (trade Love, Drummond). The only way for the Cavs to improve is still having the best odds in the draft and to increase their odds of hitting by having multiple picks. It’s the same exact “strategy” as before, it’s just the NBA made it a lot harder to execute. There’s really no way for them to acquire talent otherwise.

 

[cabs]

I blame those cunts in memphis for blatantly tanking in 2018 got the lottery odds changed and then they got kissed on the dick with morant the next season, no justice in this world. Hopefully we end up with a starting calibre SF though

 

[MirORich]

I don’t understand all this windmill talk.

TOR, GS, LAC, DEN, MIL, MIA, HOU

All excellent franchises. All have legit shot to make the finals or several conference finals in the near future.

None of those teams have a single top5 pick that was made by those franchise. They’re not all glamour or FA destination(some admittedly are)

If avoiding treadmill of mediocrity means You need a guarantee your team can win a finals or be the preemptive favorite then there is no point in even having a team.

The Cavs still have as good a short as many other franchises as constructing a legit dangerous team via one of the MANY avenues for doing so. Doesn’t mean they’ll succeed but drafting 8, 5, and 5 is not some death curse.

Reminder. We went to 4 straights finals. We won a championship. Savor it. Appreciate it.
Understand that it could take a long time to ever appear in a Finals again and that you can still love being a Cavs fan and have meaningful experiences and perhaps even be rooting for an upper echelon team again within a few years(or more)

 

[cabs]

I don’t understand all this windmill talk.

TOR, GS, LAC, DEN, MIL, MIA, HOU

All excellent franchises. All have legit shot to make the finals or several conference finals in the near future.

None of those teams have a single top5 pick that was made by those franchise. They’re not all glamour or FA destination(some admittedly are)

If avoiding treadmill of mediocrity means You need a guarantee your team can win a finals or be the preemptive favorite then there is no point in even having a team.

The Cavs still have as good a short as many other franchises as constructing a legit dangerous team via one of the MANY avenues for doing so. Doesn’t mean they’ll succeed but drafting 8, 5, and 5 is not some death curse.

Reminder. We went to 4 straights finals. We won a championship. Savor it. Appreciate it.
Understand that it could take a long time to ever appear in a Finals again and that you can still love being a Cavs fan and have meaningful experiences and perhaps even be rooting for an upper echelon team again within a few years(or more)

i dont really know what windmill talk means but i will say you're allowed to be gutted that your team has missed out on the ability to draft Doncic, Trae, Jaren jackson, Deandre Ayton, Zion, Morant and now Edwards, Ball and Wiseman in the last 3 drafts because of ping pong balls

 

[MirORich]

i dont really know what windmill talk means but i will say you're allowed to be gutted that your team has missed out on the ability to draft Doncic, Trae, Jaren jackson, Deandre Ayton, Zion, Morant and now Edwards, Ball and Wiseman in the last 3 drafts because of ping pong balls

Just as gutted as you. And just as gutted as the other fan bases who can say the same. Including the otter fanbases in 2003, 2011, 2013, and 2014 when we won the lottery.

So please don’t think I was trying to tell you how to feel about the lottery tonight. I wasn’t. I’m just talking about the sentiment that we somehow can’t build an upper echelon team without top3 picks.

Also, I’m an idiot. I meant to use the term Treadmill of Mediocrity not Windmill

 

[inliner311]

I think this will be a draft that we can move up in if we really like a player. No consensus #1. Love and Drummond could be appealing to someone like the warriors. Garland might be seen as a player that is just a bad fit with Sexton and could get some interest.

Also the lack of a NCAA tournament and all sorts of scouting issues. I believe we could see some weird stuff draft night. Teams playing it safe or falling in love and just reaching for a player.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I’m honestly not sure what the Cavs could have done differently. They got rid of all the vets who made sense to get rid of. Neither Hill nor Clarkson were moving the needle. I think pretty much everyone here was desperate to get rid of Clarkson. Every other vet basically had to go. I’ve actually been one of those clamoring for the Cavs to really tank (trade Love, Drummond). The only way for the Cavs to improve is still having the best odds in the draft and to increase their odds of hitting by having multiple picks. It’s the same exact “strategy” as before, it’s just the NBA made it a lot harder to execute. There’s really no way for them to acquire talent otherwise.

My God, it's like I just explained to you how Spotify works, you listened to Spotify tonight, and you come back to me with junk mail promising 12 CDs for a penny.

Times have changed. Teams who tank are securing a top 4-8 finish not the near assurance of a top four pick, which they secured before the rule change. I'm not even a mathematics mind but I saw the shift right away. I'm done being patient for everyone else to look at the pure numbers and realize tanking is a dead strategy.

I actually believe the Cavalier front office has figured it out, but it took them a year and a half. The Drummond trade was their first suggestion of abandoning the past and I loved it. It's time for fans to figure it out.

 

[Adam]

Keys is on point (as always) the draft is not only about the top3. There are plenty of good complimentary players in this draft. Now the Cavs have to scout well (not easy in current climate) and draft someone who either turns into a contributing piece or has value in a trade down the line

 

[cabs]

My God, it's like I just explained to you how Spotify works, you listened to Spotify tonight, and you come back to me with junk mail promising 12 CDs for a penny.

Times have changed. Teams who tank are securing a top 4-8 finish not the near assurance of a top four pick, which they secured before the rule change. I'm not even a mathematics mind but I saw the shift right away. I'm done being patient for everyone else to look at the pure numbers and realize tanking is a dead strategy.

I actually believe the Cavalier front office has figured it out, but it took them a year and a half. The Drummond trade was their first suggestion of abandoning the past and I loved it. It's time for fans to figure it out.

I don't think we have tanked even at the start of last season, we just sucked. We brought back Love to try and win. I don't think trading players like Clarkson, Hood and Hill are clear tank moves more just rebuilding after disappointing results when trying to win with them

 

[I'mWithDan]

I don’t understand all this windmill talk.

TOR, GS, LAC, DEN, MIL, MIA, HOU

All excellent franchises. All have legit shot to make the finals or several conference finals in the near future.

None of those teams have a single top5 pick that was made by those franchise. They’re not all glamour or FA destination(some admittedly are)

LAC being on this list is silly. So is Miami. LA and Miami are two of the most popular FA destinations in the league.

Denver is possibly the only remaining team that didn’t have an unusually high amount of luck to build their team.....and that has yet to get them anywhere.

All the other franchises needed pretty significant strokes of luck to land their important players, which is the point for me. If you don’t have ping pong balls go your way, you then rely on some random event helping you......wether it is Steph falling too far because the worst GM ever is in front of you, OKC inexplicably not signing Harden and suddenly trading him on a whim, Kawhi bailing on the most successful franchise of our lifetimes and Toronto rolling the dice on a rental, a skinny kid from Greece maturing like prime Dwight Howard.

The things listed above are not easily replicable....and is the reason teams tend to need top picks, especially small markets, to get anywhere in the NBA. We have this conversation a lot.....the “well look at the Golden State’s of the world” but which small market teams have been successful without a top selection anchoring their roster?

 

[Green Lantern]

Randolph said something I have said for years. The Cavs have to make smart trades, pickup good players and scout better so they can draft players lower in the selections..other teams do it, so can they.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

So Onyeka seems like the easy choice, no?

 

[cabs]

Randolph said something I have said for years. The Cavs have to make smart trades, pickup good players and scout better so they can draft players lower in the selections..other teams do it, som can they.

maybe just offer the denver scouts double whatever theyre currently making to scout for us?

Jokic, Nurkic, Murray, Harris, Beasley, Porter, Bol all good picks, even Monte Morris in the 2nd round is good value.

 

[Kizzle]

Picking 5 with how bad we are just isn’t enough in a draft like this

 

[Man Called X]

It's a Vassell or Deni pick for me. I'll find a way to be happy with either one, and immediately recognize that the one we don't pick will have an infinitely better career than our draft pick.