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2020 NFL Draft - Pick #160 - Nick Harris, C, Washington

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CBBI said:
For what it's worth (not much), PFF gave the Browns an A immediately following the 2016 draft.

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I believe Corey Coleman was a big analytics darling because of his ridiculous athletic and production profiles. Of course, there's more to the NFL than athleticism, and Coleman just clearly didn't have what it took between the ears to be anything more than a WR4 or 5 on a depth chart.
 
They did hit on 5 players in the 16 draft, I'd say. Ogbah, Nassib and Schobert were all hits while Devalve and Higgins are debatable hits.

Hell, could also argue that for as long as he's bounced around the league, Kessler could be considered a hit too. If Coleman didn't get caught up in off the field issues, that draft was probably fine. Not an A, certainly, but not the worst I've ever seen.
 
Jack Brickman said:
I believe Corey Coleman was a big analytics darling because of his ridiculous athletic and production profiles. Of course, there's more to the NFL than athleticism, and Coleman just clearly didn't have what it took between the ears to be anything more than a WR4 or 5 on a depth chart.
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From a pure scouting perspective, Coleman quite literally checked all the boxes.

1. He was young. Coleman came out a year early and was only 21 on draft day 2016.

2. He was an elite athlete. Coleman wasn't a huge kid at 5'11", 194 - but he posted a 94.4% SPARQ score and a 9.66 RAS with elite explosiveness, agility and speed.

3. He was wildly productive. Coleman had 138 catches for 2,482 yards and 31 touchdowns over his final two college seasons was the 9th overall player on PFF's big board that year.

The problem is there's a lot more that goes into scouting these prospects. Things that fans and media members are simply never going to be fully aware of.

Coleman was/is an extremely immature and entitled young man who didn’t have a great work ethic and struggled mightily with adversity/when things got difficult.

Throw on top of that the unfortunate luck that Coleman had had with injuries, breaking his hand twice and tearing his ACL.

Beyond all of that that (and this one admittedly is tough even for the teams to predict), Coleman was one of those players who did not handle having a ton of money very well whatsoever.

In the end, Corey Coleman the man failed Corey Coleman the player.
 
CBBI said:
From a pure scouting perspective, Coleman quite literally checked all the boxes.

1. He was young. Coleman came out a year early and was only 21 on draft day 2016.

2. He was an elite athlete. Coleman wasn't a huge kid at 5'11", 194 - but he posted a 94.4% SPARQ score and a 9.66 RAS with elite explosiveness, agility and speed.

3. He was wildly productive. Coleman had 138 catches for 2,482 yards and 31 touchdowns over his final two college seasons was the 9th overall player on PFF's big board that year.

The problem is there's a lot more that goes into scouting these prospects. Things that fans and media members are simply never going to be fully aware of.

Coleman was/is an extremely immature and entitled young man who didn’t have a great work ethic and struggled mightily with adversity/when things got difficult.

Throw on top of that the unfortunate luck that Coleman had had with injuries, breaking his hand twice and tearing his ACL.

Beyond all of that that (and this one admittedly is tough even for the teams to predict), Coleman was one of those players who did not handle having a ton of money very well whatsoever.

In the end, Corey Coleman the man failed Corey Coleman the player.
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PFF also massively changed their models when tracking stats were released in 2018. Nobody should take their 2016 predictions and cross-apply them to 2018. It’s a totally different model.
 
jking948 said:
PFF also massively changed their models when tracking stats were released in 2018. Nobody should take their 2016 predictions and cross-apply them to 2018. It’s a totally different model.
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From a fantasy standpoint, I think we've come a hell of a long way in the past five years when it comes to being able to more accurately pick out which receivers are going to break out.
 
jking948 said:
PFF also massively changed their models when tracking stats were released in 2018. Nobody should take their 2016 predictions and cross-apply them to 2018. It’s a totally different model.
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Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong because I am assuming here, but I can't imagine Corey Coleman's grade in 2016 would have been significantly altered by the change in PFF's model in 2018 unless they put a much more extreme emphasis on drops?

There was virtually nothing (outside of drops) from an on-the-field scouting standpoint that would indicate Coleman was going to be such a massive bust.

He was young. He broke out at an early age. He was an elite athlete. He produced at a supremely high level in a power conference.

There were a bunch of reasons he failed - lack of work ethic, lack of intelligence, lack of heart and desire, injuries, coaching and situation - but very few of them had anything to do with not being talented or skilled enough IMO.
 
Love his mobility, but he definitely needs to improve his anchor/strength. There are some Cam Irving/Austin Corbett vibes from him and his lack of strength. Don't count on him from day one but he can definitely provide depth until a year or two.
 
I remember in the 2016 draft build up a lot of talk about route trees. The major knock on Coleman was the system Baylor ran at the time, which featured a lot of bubble screens and a very simple route tree outside of the bubble screens. Once he was asked to run more complex routes, he didn't have the experience or the work ethic to do it well.

Higgins, on the other hand, had advanced data championing his route running despite poor athletic testing in the combine.
 
CBBI said:
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong because I am assuming here, but I can't imagine Corey Coleman's grade in 2016 would have been significantly altered by the change in PFF's model in 2018 unless they put a much more extreme emphasis on drops?

There was virtually nothing (outside of drops) from an on-the-field scouting standpoint that would indicate Coleman was going to be such a massive bust.

He was young. He broke out at an early age. He was an elite athlete. He produced at a supremely high level in a power conference.

There were a bunch of reasons he failed - lack of work ethic, lack of intelligence, lack of heart and desire, injuries, coaching and situation - but very few of them had anything to do with not being talented or skilled enough IMO.
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Because of tracking data he would be punished for the small route tree he ran at Baylor. Similar to Mims this year and DK Metcalf.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Once he was asked to run more complex routes, he didn't have the experience or the work ethic to do it well.
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I don't disagree on the experience part, but the work ethic part is what I'm talking about.

From an outside perspective, fans, media members and draft forecasters don't really know what a prospect's work ethic is truly like because they're simply not around the player every day.

We don't know what a guy's maturity level really is. We don't know that a guy may hate cold weather. We don't know how easily a guy gets down on himself if things don't go the way he expects them to go. We don't know how well or poorly a guy is going to react to tough coaching. We don't know how a 21 year old kid is going to react to having millions of dollars dropped into his lap.

All we know is what how players stack up from a physical standpoint and a production standpoint. We take those things and see if those traits they showed at the college level are things we think can translate to the NFL level.

I firmly believe to this day that Coleman had everything he needed from a physical and ability standpoint to be a very good NFL receiver. He was just nowhere close from a mental and heart standpoint. And obviously it's on the teams who make these picks to go through the vetting process on the person just as much as they do on the player which the Browns just didn't do well enough in Coleman's case.
 
I know we talked about it a lot in here, but consistently across the board what all the Browns FO brought up (whether Berry, Stefanski or their area scout) was Harris' schematic fit in the system here... That seemed to be the main selling point...

Similar to the Bryant pick, this also seems more of a luxury pick where they didn't see the player falling this far and simply couldn't pass up on the talent + fit despite some perceived needs elsewhere..

What I will say is center in football is similar to PG in basketball: you can never have enough, and you never know much you needed a backup until your starter goes down... You can get away with throwing guys at guard, even maybe RT, but finding someone who can player center and handle the responsibilities is a bit harder to do..

I don't expect this to impact Tretter this year, or even next when they have an out in his deal, but let's not forget Tretter will be 30 this year, and while he hasn't missed a game he has gutted out some pretty severe injuries each of the last two years...
 
So ...

I didn't notice him out there, which is good. Didn't seem to look overmatched and didn't see him giving up pressure/sacks. It's possible I may have missed it if he did, so feel free to correct me.

I'm excited to see what he can do. Feel like it's been decided for a while now that he will take over for JC eventually, maybe that time has come.
 
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