2020 Offseason

[sailfish]

If they stay healthy they will make playoff the are a lot better then the so called experts are saying. the expert keep knocking MCGEE but he has three rings. and Drummond is a lot better when he is surrounded by better players .

Drummond will be a better player for having to face McGee everyday in practice.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

Love’s shot has always been flat in that it has a low trajectory. I can remember pointing it out to my son, as it’s much easier to make it when you shoot a shot with a higher arc.

The Love to GS rumor is interesting and one that could have some legs, as he fits with Steph & Klay’s timeframe. Without a 3rd team involved, I see only 2 possible deals:

1) Love for Wiggins
2) Love for Oubre & Draymond Green

I think the first trade is highly unlikely. I’d actually consider the 2nd trade and think it’s a possibility. Draymond is the type of guy you love if he’s on your team and you hate him if he’s in the other team. I think Cavs fans would eventually embrace his style of play. We’d have to find a taker for Cedi as we would then have too many SF’s.

I’m not a Cedi fan but I don’t think we would have too many SFs because Draymond is very versatile and able to play both positions (SF/PF) on the frontline. As for Love his shot isn’t flat but he doesn’t have a natural arch because he actually doesn’t shoot your common jump shot.....he doesn’t get that much elevation of his jumper. Actually none of our frontline players do. The last real jump shooter we had was JR.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

I’m not a Cedi fan but I don’t think we would have too many SFs because Draymond is very versatile and able to play both positions (SF/PF) on the frontline. As for Love his shot isn’t flat but he doesn’t have a natural arch because he actually doesn’t shoot your common jump shot.....he doesn’t get that much elevation of his jumper. Actually none of our frontline players do. The last real jump shooter we had was JR.

Draymond never played SF dude

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

Jason Lloyd had a column in The Athletic with some off-season stuff...

The Eastern Conference will look dramatically different when the season begins next month. Teams such as Milwaukee and Brooklyn will be improved. Philadelphia already fits together better and Daryl Morey is still unpacking his suitcases. The Raptors, Celtics and Heat all have reason to believe they can win the East. In other words, the days of the pitiful little brother are over. The conference should have more depth and competitiveness than it has in a long time.

It will be tough for the Cavs to get into the top eight. With regard to the Cavs' 20-21 season Lloyd had this:

Before last season crashed into the pandemic, J.B. Bickerstaff had the Cavs playing much, much better in an incredibly small sample. But this is a team that will go nine months between competitive games. With no Summer League, no real offseason workouts, a condensed training camp/preseason and a shortened season looming, this is not the appropriate time to expect a big leap. Remember, Bickerstaff still hasn’t even had any real time to implement his system.

There is another draft coming in only seven months. It makes much more sense to wait one more year, take your losses again and collect another high pick in what should be an absolutely loaded draft next summer. Then set the target on 2021-22. Not now.

Take your losses? I don't think that's what Gilbert has in mind. But trading Love, losing a few more games, and getting a higher draft pick as well as salary relief would be good, but probably not realistic.

The most important position in the NBA these days is the wing. More specifically, athletic playmakers who can guard a number of positions. It remains the Cavs’ biggest weakness, even after drafting Isaac Okoro. It just so happens that next summer’s draft is filled with athletic wings. Trying to make win-now moves that would position the Cavs too low in the lottery to reach any of them next year is shortsighted.

Our draft expert, Sam Vecenie, believes there are at least five players (and maybe more) in next year’s draft who will be better prospects than Anthony Edwards, who went No. 1 last week.

“It’s a loaded wing draft,” Vecenie told me.

All of this might not be popular with fans who want to see improvement, but it makes the most sense for the long-term health of this franchise. Run it back one more time, take some more beatings, don’t worry about the wins at this point and secure another high pick in an absolutely stuffed draft. Then activate real expectations next fall.

Vecenie, incidentally, was bullish on the Cavs’ choice of Okoro.

“Ultimately, everything hinges on the shot,” Vecenie wrote. “If he shoots it at even a reasonable level, he’s a monstrous role player who helps you win as a secondary player. … If the jumper breaks right, he has real All-Star upside.”

 

[Ohioplayer00]

Draymond never played SF dude

Draymond never played SF dude

“Dude” Draymond has played every position on the Warriors frontline! He may not be the starter at SF but he has moved over to that position as needed! The Warriors line up since 2015 has been very interchangeable. Draymond has even slid over to #5 spot at times.

 

[cabs]

Excuse me but Draymond has played ever position on the Warriors frontline! He may not be the starter at SF but the Warriors line up for the past 5 years has been very interchangeable

“Dude” Draymond has played every position on the Warriors frontline! He may not be the starter at SF but he has moved over to that position as needed! The Warriors line up since 2015 has been very interchangeable. Draymond has even slid over to #5 spot at times.

He started his career at SF but they realised he was a PF or small ball C and he’s not really played SF since his first couple years

 

[CleveRocks]

I think having Windler is really going to help the bench scoring. His defense will be a liability against starters, but I wouldn't be shocked to see him with 10-15 ppg as a key sub.

Q, You are an optomist.. .But I like the idea... He he breaks ten points a game, and Okoru is essentially this years Kevin Porter, Cavs basketball will be fun to watch.

Another thought is that if Sexton finally gets the team thing, His assist rate could jump. Drummond and McGee will be solid finishers if they are in reach of the rim. Of course that helps Garland as well, but I am just not a believer in Garland as yet.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Q, You are an optomist.. .But I like the idea... He he breaks ten points a game, and Okoru is essentially this years Kevin Porter, Cavs basketball will be fun to watch.

Another thought is that if Sexton finally gets the team thing, His assist rate could jump. Drummond and McGee will be solid finishers if they are in reach of the rim. Of course that helps Garland as well, but I am just not a believer in Garland as yet.

Thing about Windler is that he should be a high floor guy much more ready to contribute than a typical rookie. 4 years of college and NBA level shooting. Defense will be his biggest NBA weakness, but in the second unit, he should be able to score in bunches.

 

[CleveRocks]

I think having Windler is really going to help the bench scoring. His defense will be a liability against starters, but I wouldn't be shocked to see him with 10-15 ppg as a key sub.

Q, You are an optomist.. .But I like the idea... He he breaks ten points a game, and Okoru is essentially this years Kevin Porter, Cavs basketball will be fun to watch.

Another thought is that if Sexton finally gets the team thing, His assist rate could jump. Drummond and McGee will be solid finishers if they are in reach of the rim. Of course that helps Garland as well, but I am just not a believer in Garland as yet.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

“Dude” Draymond has played every position on the Warriors frontline! He may not be the starter at SF but he has moved over to that position as needed! The Warriors line up since 2015 has been very interchangeable. Draymond has even slid over to #5 spot at times.

Nah man.
Draymond is a PF/C and in no way shape or form can play SF nowadays.

 

[Muffinalt]

Jason Lloyd had a column in The Athletic with some off-season stuff...

The Eastern Conference will look dramatically different when the season begins next month. Teams such as Milwaukee and Brooklyn will be improved. Philadelphia already fits together better and Daryl Morey is still unpacking his suitcases. The Raptors, Celtics and Heat all have reason to believe they can win the East. In other words, the days of the pitiful little brother are over. The conference should have more depth and competitiveness than it has in a long time.

It will be tough for the Cavs to get into the top eight. With regard to the Cavs' 20-21 season Lloyd had this:

Before last season crashed into the pandemic, J.B. Bickerstaff had the Cavs playing much, much better in an incredibly small sample. But this is a team that will go nine months between competitive games. With no Summer League, no real offseason workouts, a condensed training camp/preseason and a shortened season looming, this is not the appropriate time to expect a big leap. Remember, Bickerstaff still hasn’t even had any real time to implement his system.

There is another draft coming in only seven months. It makes much more sense to wait one more year, take your losses again and collect another high pick in what should be an absolutely loaded draft next summer. Then set the target on 2021-22. Not now.

Take your losses? I don't think that's what Gilbert has in mind. But trading Love, losing a few more games, and getting a higher draft pick as well as salary relief would be good, but probably not realistic.

The most important position in the NBA these days is the wing. More specifically, athletic playmakers who can guard a number of positions. It remains the Cavs’ biggest weakness, even after drafting Isaac Okoro. It just so happens that next summer’s draft is filled with athletic wings. Trying to make win-now moves that would position the Cavs too low in the lottery to reach any of them next year is shortsighted.

Our draft expert, Sam Vecenie, believes there are at least five players (and maybe more) in next year’s draft who will be better prospects than Anthony Edwards, who went No. 1 last week.

“It’s a loaded wing draft,” Vecenie told me.

All of this might not be popular with fans who want to see improvement, but it makes the most sense for the long-term health of this franchise. Run it back one more time, take some more beatings, don’t worry about the wins at this point and secure another high pick in an absolutely stuffed draft. Then activate real expectations next fall.

Vecenie, incidentally, was bullish on the Cavs’ choice of Okoro.

“Ultimately, everything hinges on the shot,” Vecenie wrote. “If he shoots it at even a reasonable level, he’s a monstrous role player who helps you win as a secondary player. … If the jumper breaks right, he has real All-Star upside.”

This should be the way. Get another 1st rounder while we're at it and set the team up proper.

Playoff mandates can come all they want after next year.

 

[cabs]

The east is still as pathetic as ever, I don’t buy it has improved at all.

 

[cabs]

The only difference is there is no Lebron to run through it

 

[avs2000]

This should be the way. Get another 1st rounder while we're at it and set the team up proper.

Playoff mandates can come all they want after next year.

Agreed team is too young now Need another year playing together get another top ten pick and then make a run at some free agents for 2022

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

This should be the way. Get another 1st rounder while we're at it and set the team up proper.

Playoff mandates can come all they want after next year.

The fact that the Cavs signed McGee, Delly, and Dotson (veteran role players) tells me they have no intention of "taking a beating" and going for a high pick in next year's "loaded" draft. Those signings indicate the team wants to win this year.

There is definitely a veteran presence on the team with Drummond (8 years), McGee and Love (12 years), Delly (7 years), Exum and Nance (5 years), and Sexton and Osman (3 years). They have a nice blend of youth and experience when you factor in Garland, Porter, Windler and Okoro.

OTOH, I suppose you could argue that:

1. They signed Delly to help develop the young guards more than to help them win.
2. They signed Dotson because they're not sure if Porter will be on the team this year.
3. They signed McGee because they don't have a backup center.