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Mott the Hoople said:
I'm sure everyone on this board is down tonight. We were hoping for an impact player, and we most likely will get a player that will take a few years to make an impact. At best.
To become a playoff team next season, I think it will require a significant trade. Maybe Love, maybe Garland, maybe Sexton.
We just need some legit NBA vets. Hopefully athletic wings.
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I'm down now..I forgot it was on and I didn't see anything on TV last night..maybe a good thing.
 
cabs said:
I would not be interested in bringing wiggins (back) to Cleveland, that contract is horrendous and he has a horrendous attitude
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Maybe a change of scenery would be good for him? ‍♂️
 
It has been a long time for me to post and hope all is well with everyone and your family and friends especially in this current situation.

If I had to choose to win the lottery I would not have prefer to win it this year or be top 3. Not a fan of tanking and it was unfortunate the nba had to cancel the season and we could not get our players to play and sync together. I thought JB did well in his limited time and it was great to see how players grow and wanted to see them grow further.

I was a fan of Okoro but as I watch more tape I prefer Devin Vassell. I really want a strong SG/wing who can create his shot and ability to score from outside consistently. And not only his offense, I thought his defense is pretty good and has potential there. Very team oriented player and I think he would fit very well in our scheme or I should say he was underutilized in college. Plus I believe he has more assists, steals, and blocks than turnovers (great stat). He has such high basketball IQ. That is my guy.

@Ben - I realized I’ve been in this forum for over 13 yrs now. Hope donation helps :)
 
Murph said:
....OTOH, the #2 pick would be amazing (LaMello?), and Altman would have turned a #5 pick and a conditional 2nd round pick into a #2 pick and Wiggins, which is like turning lead into gold.

The starting lineup would probably be LaMello, Sexton, Wiggins, Love and a center, or maybe Nance. That would be the worst defensive lineup in the NBA. But that lineup sure would score points in bunches....
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I don't even think they'd score all that many points. Wiggins and LaMelo both seem to be poor off-ball players. Sexton is probably a bit better than that simply because he is a good shooter from 3, but he also is better with the ball in his hands. I just don't see them as a good fit offensively, and as you said, they'd be a horror show defensively.
 
He's probably committed to staying in Miami, but I'd love it if they took a look at Goran Dragic for the full MLE.

If they're trying to win some games this year while still developing Garland, it makes sense to have a legit 3rd guard. Provides some insurance if Garland doesn't take a step forward, but there are still plenty of minutes to get all three on the court for plenty of minutes if they all play well.
 
We could have ended up anywhere from 1-6 and it turned out 5. Sucks, but after winning the LeBron coin flip and having the 2.6% ball come through for Kyrie we owe the lottery gods.

I looked at a few mocks and we seem to be getting Toppin or Ocongwa in most of them. I like Ocongwa because he's a center and I don't know if TT will be back or if they have any interest in signing Drummond beyond this year. Throw in Love's injury history and the possibility he'll be traded in a year or two and I can see a real shortage on the front line. I'm happy with the guard situation between Sexton, Garland, and Porter.

The knock on Toppin is he plays no defense so he would fit right in. But we don't need more players who fit that description.

This doesn't seem to be the year to trade up considering there's not much of a consensus who the top five picks are.

Recent #5 picks are: Garland, Trae Young, De'Aaron Fox, Kris Dunn, Mario Hezonja, Dante Exum, and Alex Len. Not real exciting.

My guess is the best case scenario is we end up with a player who has a career similar to #4 pick Tristan Thompson (solid player but never an All-Star) and the worst case is we get another Dante Exum.
 
Derek said:
He's probably committed to staying in Miami, but I'd love it if they took a look at Goran Dragic for the full MLE.

If they're trying to win some games this year while still developing Garland, it makes sense to have a legit 3rd guard. Provides some insurance if Garland doesn't take a step forward, but there are still plenty of minutes to get all three on the court for plenty of minutes if they all play well.
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I don't think management is interested in a 34-year-old point guard to take developmental minutes away from Garland and Sexton. I'm for dividing up the 96 minutes a game between Garland, Sexton, and Porter.

With Windler coming online and Nance showing he can play the 3 last year and Porter being able to play the 3 in a small lineup I think Cedi is expendable. However, I don't think anybody would offer anything for him.
 
Wham with the Right Hand said:
I don't think management is interested in a 34-year-old point guard to take developmental minutes away from Garland and Sexton. I'm for dividing up the 96 minutes a game between Garland, Sexton, and Porter.

With Windler coming online and Nance showing he can play the 3 last year and Porter being able to play the 3 in a small lineup I think Cedi is expendable. However, I don't think anybody would offer anything for him.
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Since they’re trying to win, they should be interested. It also wouldn’t take any minutes away from Garland/Sexton unless they falter. Plenty of minutes for all three.

Regardless, it seems unlikely that he or Miami would allow that partnership to end.
 
Murph said:
Drummond for Wiggins and swapping picks actually makes some sense for both teams. Drummond could be a monster rebounder and rim protector for GS with the right coach (Kerr).

But does it make sense for the Cavs? Wiggins has a horrible contract, and he has pretty awful advanced stats (albeit for an awful team), and he is a terrible defender, and he is bound to need the ball in his hands a lot, which would hurt Sexton’s development.

OTOH, the #2 pick would be amazing (LaMello?), and Altman would have turned a #5 pick and a conditional 2nd round pick into a #2 pick and Wiggins, which is like turning lead into gold.

The starting lineup would probably be LaMello, Sexton, Wiggins, Love and a center, or maybe Nance. That would be the worst defensive lineup in the NBA. But that lineup sure would score points in bunches.

As a Drummond fan, I say go for it. As a Cavs fan, I’m not so sure.
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I think for the Cavs it would have to be a scenario that they have fallen in love with someone who is available at 2. It may be LeMelo or Edwards or just someone who moved up boards.

On Golden States side it opens up more flexibility for them especially if they don't see whoever is at #2 as part of their future. Drummond will be on an expiring but they will also have his bird right if it's a fit. If Drummond doesn't fit, he becomes someone to package with the #5 pick for whatever star comes on to the market next.

I also wonder what Garland and Drummond in a package would bring back. Is there a bad contract player and another top 10 pick out there for that package?
 
If there was ever a lottery you didn't care if you won this would probably be it. All the mock drafts are all over the place with regard to who's going where. If the Cavs draft someone @5 and then say that's the guy we would have taken at `#1, I might even believe them this year.
 
Wham with the Right Hand said:
We could have ended up anywhere from 1-6 and it turned out 5. Sucks, but after winning the LeBron coin flip and having the 2.6% ball come through for Kyrie we owe the lottery gods.

I looked at a few mocks and we seem to be getting Toppin or Ocongwa in most of them. I like Ocongwa because he's a center and I don't know if TT will be back or if they have any interest in signing Drummond beyond this year. Throw in Love's injury history and the possibility he'll be traded in a year or two and I can see a real shortage on the front line. I'm happy with the guard situation between Sexton, Garland, and Porter.

The knock on Toppin is he plays no defense so he would fit right in. But we don't need more players who fit that description.

This doesn't seem to be the year to trade up considering there's not much of a consensus who the top five picks are.

Recent #5 picks are: Garland, Trae Young, De'Aaron Fox, Kris Dunn, Mario Hezonja, Dante Exum, and Alex Len. Not real exciting.

My guess is the best case scenario is we end up with a player who has a career similar to #4 pick Tristan Thompson (solid player but never an All-Star) and the worst case is we get another Dante Exum.
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The reason I wouldn't take Okongwu is the same reason why TT is trying to come back to the Cavs. There is a oversupply undersized centers and they might be the easiest position to get in free agency or by trade. We got Drummond for basically nothing. I question if it's even worth taking Wiseman at #5.

I would like Koby to look for the best player that is a tall PG to a PF that can shoot and anything in-between
 
OldSkool said:
If there was ever a lottery you didn't care if you won this would probably be it. All the mock drafts are all over the place with regard to who's going where. If the Cavs draft someone @5 and then say that's the guy we would have taken at `#1, I might even believe them this year.
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I kind of agree with this. If we won the lottery, it would feel too much like 2013 to me. Gilbert already has said we should be trying to make the playoffs. #1 might be a situation where it's not a consensus #1 and it's up in the air where someone could sway the whole organization to one player.

So many to the players at the top of the draft have alot of an unknown factor to them. #1 might come down to really just looking at their ceiling and not having enough information to gauge their floor.
 
With sixers imploding and rumors of the cavs wanting simmons, maybe it's time to make it a reality. Simmons would be a superstar in CLE. He covers alot of defensive deficiencies and would be a playmaker with sexton.

Would a package of #5 pick, garland, and love suffice?
 
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