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2020 Series #13 Brewers @ Indians Sep. 4-6

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There's only 1 pitcher in the league that is less desirable to watch than Suter and he just took the mound for the Indians. Could you imagine having both in the BP?
 
Love him or hate him, Cimber is definitely a "cooler", and I mean that as a compliment.

Time to move Santana down a spot.
 
There's only 1 pitcher in the league that is less desirable to watch than Suter and he just took the mound for the Indians. Could you imagine having both in the BP?
Harsh words about Kerosene Karinchak.
 
It wasn't spotless, but Cookie's start was a pretty good one that was wasted by the BP and the offense......or lack thereof.
yep - cookie was the bright spot - karinchak's been scored on in 3 straight appearances now - get it out of his system before october - and we got shut down tonight by a pretty good pitcher we wont see in the playoffs --- ugliest game of the year? ---- on to saturday
 
I said the Indians would have trouble scoring off Burnes and they did. After the leadoff double by Hernandez in the first, Burnes retired the next 12 hitters without a ball leaving the infield. They managed to put an unearned run up in the sixth to get Cookie off the hook. He pitched pretty well for six innings but as the game went on he seemed to use his fastball less and less. It also declined in velo from 94 to 92.

Cookie has had back-to-back solid outings but both were against below average offenses. I don't know how he'll do against the Twins or White Sox.

But for once the bullpen and the defense let the Tribe down. Maton, Perez, and Karinchak have been outstanding this year but they all sucked tonight, especially Maton. Naquin mistimed his jump on a double off the wall that was catchable and Santana whiffed on a slow ground ball where he had a shot at throwing out the runner at the plate. The game was lost in the 7th on pitching and defense, two areas the Indians have excelled in.

Karinchak seems to have misplaced his pitching mechanics. It's concerning how easily hitters are able to square up his fastball when it's not well located. That blast by Hiura was impressive and there was also a line drive single to left off the fastball.

The next two Brewers starters aren't in the same category as Burnes, at least statistically, so hopefully we can put a few runs on the board and still win this series behind Civale and Bieber.
 
you have stories about everything. Im just surprised that story didnt end with you and your son getting invited into the brewers dugout to drink.

No, never made it into a dugout, but i do have allot of stories, i am old, extroverted and used to go out allot...it makes for allot of stories, lol
 
Kettle grill is warming up right now, smoking a rib-eye(reverse sear) for tonight's game.

While rib-eye is the best, after tonight you cannot eat another rib-eye until after the season, it is now officially bad luck steak....sirloin, NY, fillet, etc are still all ok.
 
I'm not worried about Cookie who continues to be one of the most consistent SPs in baseball.

His numbers across the board , with the exception of his walk rate, are all in line with what he has put up since starting full time.

The velo on all his pitches remains on the money.

This season he is throwing his 4 seamer a lot less than he has in the past...but that seems to be a trend among all of the Tribe starters.
 
Well there wasn't very many bright spots in last nights game, but Carrasco was solid and Mercado got a hit! Hopefully guys are better tonight!
 
Looking at the Fangraphs data, Cookie has been transitioning from primarily a fastball pitcher to primarily a breaking ball pitcher for about seven years. In 2013 he threw 62.6% fastballs averaging 95.6 mph and his percentage has been steadily declining since. This year he's throwing the heater only 39.1% with an average velo of 93.9. He's only lost 1.7 mph but he either doesn't have as much confidence in it or he feels he's more effective throwing more breaking balls.

His strikeout rate is the highest of his career at 29.2%, nearly 4% higher than his career average. But his walk rate of 11.2% is well above his career figure of 6.3%. He's throwing a lot of sliders and changeups off the plate resulting in more K's but also more walks.

There was a great example last night where he got ahead 0-2 and threw three sliders in the dirt. On the 3-2 pitch he threw another slider in the dirt and got the hitter to chase. Cookie would rather walk the guy than throw him a 3-2 fastball in a 1-0 game.

Hitters are catching on. The rate of swings at pitches outside the zone is 30.1%, down from 36.6% and 36.4% the last two years and 34.4% for his career. So his walk rate is up as batters are learning to lay off the breaking stuff down and away. His xFIP is the highest since 2013 at 4.15.

I'm not sure how long he'll continue to be effective as a starter depending mostly on breaking balls and getting hitters to chase the off-speed stuff. He seems to lose fastball velocity in the 4th and 5th innings. He starts the game at 94-95 and ends up at 92. If he can locate his fastball on the edges and throw it when batters least expect it I imagine he can continue to be a solid MOR starter.
 
Looking at the Fangraphs data, Cookie has been transitioning from primarily a fastball pitcher to primarily a breaking ball pitcher for about seven years. In 2013 he threw 62.6% fastballs averaging 95.6 mph and his percentage has been steadily declining since. This year he's throwing the heater only 39.1% with an average velo of 93.9. He's only lost 1.7 mph but he either doesn't have as much confidence in it or he feels he's more effective throwing more breaking balls.

His strikeout rate is the highest of his career at 29.2%, nearly 4% higher than his career average. But his walk rate of 11.2% is well above his career figure of 6.3%. He's throwing a lot of sliders and changeups off the plate resulting in more K's but also more walks.

There was a great example last night where he got ahead 0-2 and threw three sliders in the dirt. On the 3-2 pitch he threw another slider in the dirt and got the hitter to chase. Cookie would rather walk the guy than throw him a 3-2 fastball in a 1-0 game.

Hitters are catching on. The rate of swings at pitches outside the zone is 30.1%, down from 36.6% and 36.4% the last two years and 34.4% for his career. So his walk rate is up as batters are learning to lay off the breaking stuff down and away. His xFIP is the highest since 2013 at 4.15.

I'm not sure how long he'll continue to be effective as a starter depending mostly on breaking balls and getting hitters to chase the off-speed stuff. He seems to lose fastball velocity in the 4th and 5th innings. He starts the game at 94-95 and ends up at 92. If he can locate his fastball on the edges and throw it when batters least expect it I imagine he can continue to be a solid MOR starter.

And that's all we need him to be. I remember stating in IBI that we no longer needed Cookie or Kluber to be aces with Clevinger and Bieber. Now we have Plesac, Civale, and McKenzie all pitching like MOR SP or better.

The one thing about the Cookie's modern day approach is that it will keep him from going deep into games. He doesn't seem to induce weak contact as frequently as he used to while his SO and walks per 9IP have all increased. I also believe that continually focusing on spinning the ball reduces a pitcher's velocity. Someone with more data like Jup can confirm or deny that if they choose. I'd be interested to see the data.
 
The conversion from fastball pitcher to one that depends more upon breaking stuff is a doctrine in this org. Nearly every SP the Tribe has used extensively evo

lves that way.

Check out Biebs.

Coookis fast ball velo is almost exactly what it was two years ago. Velo on his other pitches have also remained the same, or even ticked up a bit.

Its true that his velo has dropped in most...not all...of his starts this year, but I dont know if its a downward trend or a normal occurrence in his career. If its a new phenomenon, it means that he is throwing harder now to start games than he has previously, because the average has remained close to the same.

To me it seems as if control/command is the (sudden) problem, not a lack of arm strength.

In any case, the results so far have remained unusually consistent. Since becoming a full fledged.member of the rotation, his ERA has ranged from 3.29 to 3.63, not counting last year when he was sick. It stands now at 3.43.
 
This is not meant as a criticism, because most fans do it, but we tend to overlook, undervalue, underappreciate, or be hypercitical of our own veteran players.

It seems to us that Carrasco has somehow underperformed and are already looking for reasons to expect and predict a precipitous decline.

Right now Cookie is one of only 28 qualifiers in the AL. That alone is impressuve, as each team starts with at least five SPs.

He ranks between 13th and 16th in ERA, FIP, IP, and fWAR. He ranks 10th in xFIP, and 4th in K/9.

That is the production of a solid #2. The only thing keeping him from being a #1 is an unusually high walk rate.
 
OK

Its time to play ball.

Lets see what Civale has tonight...and if the bats can do anything at all.
 

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