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I fail to see how MLB could enforce the infielders must stay on the dirt rule.

Is it only outfield dirt? Would teams no longer be able to play 4 outfielders in those
late game situations that crop up ?

If batters aren't talented enough or given economic reward for hitting the ball
the other way, then we must accept the current model.

After all, small ball doesn't come off well on the Sportscenter highlights.
 
I fail to see how MLB could enforce the infielders must stay on the dirt rule.

Is it only outfield dirt? Would teams no longer be able to play 4 outfielders in those
late game situations that crop up ?

If batters aren't talented enough or given economic reward for hitting the ball
the other way, then we must accept the current model.

After all, small ball doesn't come off well on the Sportscenter highlights.
I also think that pitching has evolved in such a way that it's tougher to make contact than ever before.

The idea hitters are running with is to make the most of it any time you do make contact, which is why we've seen such a focus on power.
 
I'm not into the idea that pitchers are making it substantially harder to put the ball in play. Maybe somewhat, but not substantially. I'm also not into the idea that the shift is such a problem.

Think of it this way...

The emphasis on launch angle increases the odds of missing a pitch. Thats not caused by pitchers. Its self inflicted.

A shift, esp a severe shift, leaves HUGE holes in the defense. Refusing to take advantage of those huge holes is another self inflicted wound.

The shift plus the infielders ( mostly 2Bs) playing 50 ft into the outfield invites batters to bunt for almost automatic base hits. Refusing to take such a gift is yet another self inflicted wound.

Then baseball has decided that they will pay one trick pull power batters more money than all around hitters who put the ball in play, but not necessarily over the fence. They pay nothing for bunters and little for stolen bases. That is ownerships self inflicted wound.

Who is the player you least want to see come to the plate against the Tribe?

For me, and from comments in game threads, it seems to be Whit Merrifield.

And who is the recent Tribe player I wanted to see in key situations?

For me, it was Brantley.

Yet, neither hit home runs. But they do put the ball in play, which makes the game interesting.

Merrifield gets paid an average of $4 mil. Brantley now makes $16 mil.

At age 36, Edwin Encarnacion got paid $21 mil, and his three year contract at age 34 was considered a huge piece of good fortune.

THAT is a self inflicted wound.

But the fans, the ones that do the most complaining, are also part of the problem.

As ST went on, the interest in our contact hitting MIF prospects increased a lot.

But two out of the three prospects that seem to draw the most immediate interest for this team are Bradley and Jones...true three outcome batters, whose only interesting thing is can they put the ball in the stands.

Want to eliminate the shift? Really?

Put together a lineup with Miller, Freeman, Arias, Gimenez, Rocchio in it.

They wont put the ball in the stands much, but they will do the things that make the game interesting. They will put the ball in play, run, and play defense.

And, goodbye, shift.
 
I'm not into the idea that pitchers are making it substantially harder to put the ball in play. Maybe somewhat, but not substantially.
I don't know how you can watch the game today, and not agree that it's significantly harder to put the ball in play than ever before.
I'm also not into the idea that the shift is such a problem.
Agreed.
Think of it this way...

The emphasis on launch angle increases the odds of missing a pitch. Thats not caused by pitchers. Its self inflicted.

A shift, esp a severe shift, leaves HUGE holes in the defense. Refusing to take advantage of those huge holes is another self inflicted wound.

The shift plus the infielders ( mostly 2Bs) playing 50 ft into the outfield invites batters to bunt for almost automatic base hits. Refusing to take such a gift is yet another self inflicted wound.
I disagree that it's self-inflicted. Changing your entire approach is not easy. Pitchers are also pitching into the shift.

You want your big power-hitting lefty to work endless hours to alter his approach to hitting (the one that got him to the majors) just so he can get a couple of extra singles before the defense adjusts? It's not like he'd just be able to flip the switch right back to doing what he was before.
Then baseball has decided that they will pay one trick pull power batters more money than all around hitters who put the ball in play, but not necessarily over the fence. They pay nothing for bunters and little for stolen bases. That is ownerships self inflicted wound.

Who is the player you least want to see come to the plate against the Tribe?

For me, and from comments in game threads, it seems to be Whit Merrifield.

And who is the recent Tribe player I wanted to see in key situations?

For me, it was Brantley.

Yet, neither hit home runs. But they do put the ball in play, which makes the game interesting.

Merrifield gets paid an average of $4 mil. Brantley now makes $16 mil.

At age 36, Edwin Encarnacion got paid $21 mil, and his three year contract at age 34 was considered a huge piece of good fortune.

THAT is a self inflicted wound.
You are ignoring A TON of context surrounding these numbers.

Merrifield is still under arbitration. He's never had the chance to hit the open market. Even when he does, he was a late bloomer. He'll never make bank because of that.

Brantley delayed his entry to the open market by signing a pre-arb extension, and then signed a lesser deal with Houston because he was coming off some injury-plagued seasons as he entered his 30's.

Edwin was coming off a stretch where he was one of the premier hitters in baseball for Toronto when he signed his 3-year deal before the 2017 season and then signed for substantially less as it became clear he had become a guy who could just give you the occasional homer.
But the fans, the ones that do the most complaining, are also part of the problem.

As ST went on, the interest in our contact hitting MIF prospects increased a lot.

But two out of the three prospects that seem to draw the most immediate interest for this team are Bradley and Jones...true three outcome batters, whose only interesting thing is can they put the ball in the stands.

Want to eliminate the shift? Really?

Put together a lineup with Miller, Freeman, Arias, Gimenez, Rocchio in it.

They wont put the ball in the stands much, but they will do the things that make the game interesting. They will put the ball in play, run, and play defense.

And, goodbye, shift.
You could absolutely demolish the shift by putting together a team of slap hitters. However, once the opponent stops shifting, you're stuck with just that, a team of slap hitters.

It's the catch-22, and why beating the shift isn't as simple as some make it out to be. For all the time it would take for a hitter to change his approach to consistently beat the shift enough to hurt the opponent, all it takes is a simple command for the defense to adjust. No hours of training, just a simple "go stand there instead".
 
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I don't know how you can watch the game today, and not agree that it's significantly harder to put the ball in play than ever before.

Agreed.

I disagree that it's self-inflicted. Changing your entire approach is not easy. Pitchers are also pitching into the shift.

You want your big power-hitting lefty to work endless hours to alter his approach to hitting (the one that got him to the majors) just so he can get a couple of extra singles before the defense adjusts? It's not like he'd just be able to flip the switch right back to doing what he was before.

You are ignoring A TON of context surrounding these numbers.

Merrifield is still under arbitration. He's never had the chance to hit the open market. Even when he does, he was a late bloomer. He'll never make bank because of that.

Brantley delayed his entry to the open market by signing a pre-arb extension, and then signed a lesser deal with Houston because he was coming off some injury-plagued seasons as he entered his 30's.

Edwin was coming off a stretch where he was one of the premier hitters in baseball for Toronto when he signed his 3-year deal before the 2017 season and then signed for substantially less as it became clear he had become a guy who could just give you the occasional homer.

You could absolutely demolish the shift by putting together a team of slap hitters. However, once the opponent stops shifting, you're stuck with just that, a team of slap hitters.

It's the catch-22, and why beating the shift isn't as simple as some make it out to be. For all the time it would take for a hitter to change his approach to consistently beat the shift enough to hurt the opponent, all it takes is a simple command for the defense to adjust. No hours of training, just a simple "go stand there instead".
If it were easy, everybody would do it...indeed.
 
If it were easy, everybody would it...indeed.
Precisely.

The guys who can hit the ball anywhere and do it with power are the guys being paid absurd amounts of money because they're superstars.

Yes, there are some guys who only hit for power, but IMO they are regarded and paid accordingly.
 
Precisely.

The guys who can hit the ball anywhere and do it with power are the guys being paid absurd amounts of money because they're superstars.

Yes, there are some guys who only hit for power, but IMO they are regarded and paid accordingly.
Agree there has been plenty of $ and rostering pushback against guys who are all power, but lack OBP skills, etc...even worse, if defensive liabilities, too.
 
Agree there has been plenty of $ and rostering pushback against guys who are all power, but lack OBP skills, etc...even worse, if defensive liabilities, too.
Look no further than Chris Carter.

Hit 41 HR while making $2.5 million for the Brewers in 2016. Brewers didn't even attempt to bring him back, and he was out of the majors for good by mid-2017.
 
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I fail to see how MLB could enforce the infielders must stay on the dirt rule.

Is it only outfield dirt? Would teams no longer be able to play 4 outfielders in those
late game situations that crop up ?

If batters aren't talented enough or given economic reward for hitting the ball
the other way, then we must accept the current model.

After all, small ball doesn't come off well on the Sportscenter highlights.
I don't think the game was designed to have players placed randomly in the field. There are positions and they should be manned IMO. If you want to get rid of launch angles and uppercuts, and return to the contact first type of hitters then limiting shifting is the means to do so.

I get a kick out of the people that say "just hit the ball the other way". Clearly they have very little experience in facing advanced pitching. It's easier to hit the ball over the defenders into the bleachers than to consistently "go the other way". Pitchers do not deliberately pitch away from the shift. You ever try to bunt a 90+ mph inside FB the other way? The success rate is minimal even for the best of bunters.

Another thing that should be apparent to anyone watching today's game is the level of pitching. There are more 95+ MPH pitchers than ever before. Not only that, but modern technology has emphasized spinning the ball better too. Hitting was never easy and it is becoming more difficult as pitching development improves.
 
I don't think the game was designed to have players placed randomly in the field. There are positions and they should be manned IMO. If you want to get rid of launch angles and uppercuts, and return to the contact first type of hitters then limiting shifting is the means to do so.

I get a kick out of the people that say "just hit the ball the other way". Clearly they have very little experience in facing advanced pitching. It's easier to hit the ball over the defenders into the bleachers than to consistently "go the other way". Pitchers do not deliberately pitch away from the shift. You ever try to bunt a 90+ mph inside FB the other way? The success rate is minimal even for the best of bunters.

Another thing that should be apparent to anyone watching today's game is the level of pitching. There are more 95+ MPH pitchers than ever before. Not only that, but modern technology has emphasized spinning the ball better too. Hitting was never easy and it is becoming more difficult as pitching development improves.
I agree with literally everything here except for limiting the shift :chuckle:
 
The shift is here to stay.

And it should be.
 
The shift is here to stay.

And it should be.
I see what @CDAV45 is saying about positions needing to be manned, but I've just never thought of the game that way.

To me, the shift is no different than backing up a few steps when the big hitter is up, or sprinting into the edge of the infield when somebody's little brother is up to bat. I feel like it exemplifies the spirit of the game we all grew up loving.

I'd sooner make the fences further than eliminate the ability of teams to shift.
 
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I see what @CDAV45 is saying about positions needing to be manned, but I've just never thought of the game that way.

To me, the shift is no different than backing up a few steps when the big hitter is up or sprinting into the edge of the infield when somebody's little brother is up to bat. I feel like it exemplifies the spirit of the game we all grew up loving.

I'd sooner make the fences further than eliminate the ability of teams to shift.
Yeah, you put players where the ball gets hit.

Heaven forbid that, at some point, we started using data to put them in specific spots instead of spreading them rather equally amongst the areas that needed to be covered...

I'm clutching my pearls just thinking about it. What next, people aren't going to take a full swing because they can put the ball in play, on the ground, by holding their bat still?!
 
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I see what @CDAV45 is saying about positions needing to be manned, but I've just never thought of the game that way.

To me, the shift is no different than backing up a few steps when the big hitter is up or sprinting into the edge of the infield when somebody's little brother is up to bat. I feel like it exemplifies the spirit of the game we all grew up loving.

I'd sooner make the fences further than eliminate the ability of teams to shift.

I agree the position manning angle is interesting, but is there even a rule about where you actually have to stand?

Stating the obvious, the alignment we all know is the "shift" for right handers.
 
At what spot is 2B no longer 2B? Does standing in left center qualify as 2B or LCF? There's a lot of area to a position, but there is also an area outside of that position as well. Fuck it! why even call them positions at all. Just tell everyone to stand on one side of the diamond or the other. It's more than just putting players where the ball gets hit. They are playing them out of position to take away what has been historically a base hit. The response has been to elevate the ball more and hit it over the fielders' heads because just putting the ball in play isn't as effective as it used to be.

Moving the fences back is not the answer either. That will only make the problem worse IMO.
 

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