2021 Series #10 | Indians @ Royals | May 3-6, 2021

[MadThinker88]

I know his numbers and I think what you saying is a nothingburger. He’s inexpensive and wouldn’t require our best prospects. At least not multiple ones.

I would disagree with you. Anyone now working as GM for the Rockies is looking for at least 1 top 10 prospect from a team trying to get Jon Gray.
Since you hope to 1 stop shop & get Cron also, it would cost 2 from the top 20 (1 top 10 & 1 from 11-20).

The Rockies have a poor farm system and anyone they deal will be via a bid process so the cost goes higher and higher to obtain the Rockies trade assets (Story/ Gray/ Cron/ etc).

 

[sportscoach]

I would disagree with you. Anyone now working as GM for the Rockies is looking for at least 1 top 10 prospect from a team trying to get Jon Gray.
Since you hope to 1 stop shop & get Cron also, it would cost 2 from the top 20 (1 top 10 & 1 from 11-20).

The Rockies have a poor farm system and anyone they deal will be via a bid process so the cost goes higher and higher to obtain the Rockies trade assets (Story/ Gray/ Cron/ etc).

@CDAV45

Home numbers for Grey...

30-13, 4.44 ERA, 368 innings, 46 HRs, 105 BBs, 367 SOs, .739 OPS, 1.288 WHIP

Away numbers for Grey...

19-26, 4.58 ERA, 352 innings, 42 HRs, 133 BBS, 362 SOs, .755 OPS, 1.378 WHIP

Is that someone on paper to give up a good prospect for?

 

[Real Deal]

@CDAV45

Home numbers for Grey...

30-13, 4.44 ERA, 368 innings, 46 HRs, 105 BBs, 367 SOs, .739 OPS, 1.288 WHIP

Away numbers for Grey...

19-26, 4.58 ERA, 352 innings, 42 HRs, 133 BBS, 362 SOs, .755 OPS, 1.378 WHIP

Is that someone on paper to give up a good prospect for?

Who's Grey?

 

[sportscoach]

Who's Grey?

Jon Grey, SP for the Rockies. Essentially we are looking at Veteran SPs who could be available..

 

[Gson]

Jon Grey, SP for the Rockies. Essentially we are looking at Veteran SPs who could be available..

He's referring to the spelling of Jon Gray's name.. being a smartass..

 

[Gson]

@CDAV45

Home numbers for Grey...

30-13, 4.44 ERA, 368 innings, 46 HRs, 105 BBs, 367 SOs, .739 OPS, 1.288 WHIP

Away numbers for Grey...

19-26, 4.58 ERA, 352 innings, 42 HRs, 133 BBS, 362 SOs, .755 OPS, 1.378 WHIP

Is that someone on paper to give up a good prospect for?

yes

 

[WhoAzcue]

On another note, the quality and depth of our rotation and pen is the main reason I felt that we could hang with Chicago and Minnesota.

On paper some may see their original rotations and pens as better, but everybody is gonna need a ton of pitchers this year.

If you are uncomfortable with some of our young depth pieces, wait until you see theirs. In the rotation, its our 6 thru 10/12 where he have a huge advantage. The same goes for the pen.

In the preseason I definitely felt this was true.

Things have dramatically changed on Chicago's south side though. One through six, the White Sox look solid--Giolito, Keuchel, Lynn, Rodon, Cease, Kopech--all will easily do better than our one through six. The way Rodon and Cease are pitching, they can expect reasonable production at all six spots while we are very much uncertain, as Hentges last "start" showed (I still can't get over the fact that he didn't get a single swing and miss, not one!) Bottom line, the White Sox can get away with an indifferent defense and the loss of Eloy and Robert if their rotation and bullpen holds together. Tribe mustn't let Chicago get too far ahead...somehow we gotta stay close if we have divisional aspirations. It will be very interesting to see how the White Sox handle the desperate Twins this week.

 

[CATS44]

In the preseason I definitely felt this was true.

Things have dramatically changed on Chicago's south side though. One through six, the White Sox look solid--Giolito, Keuchel, Lynn, Rodon, Cease, Kopech--all will easily do better than our one through six. The way Rodon and Cease are pitching, they can expect reasonable production at all six spots while we are very much uncertain, as Hentges last "start" showed (I still can't get over the fact that he didn't get a single swing and miss, not one!) Bottom line, the White Sox can get away with an indifferent defense and the loss of Eloy and Robert if their rotation and bullpen holds together. Tribe mustn't let Chicago get too far ahead...somehow we gotta stay close if we have divisional aspirations. It will be very interesting to see how the White Sox handle the desperate Twins this week.

I agree that Chicago is better 1-6.

And if the Chisox can get thru the season with only six, they will end up winning the division.

But, unless they are beyond lucky, its gonna take a lot more than six.

Rodon hasn't thrown 140 IP since 2016.

Keuchel has made 30 starts once since 2015.

Cease, if he is even for real, has never thrown more than 141 IP in his pro career.

The same as Cease for Kopech, who also didn't pitch in a game last season.

Behind those six, they may not have anybody who could make the Clippers rotation.

 

[Alabuckeye]

At the 30 game mark they look better. Let's revisit at the 60 game and 90 game marks.....

They may still look better, but I suspect some of our wrinkles will be ironed out by then.

 

[xmasbuck]

I agree that Chicago is better 1-6.

And if the Chisox can get thru the season with only six, they will end up winning the division.

But, unless they are beyond lucky, its gonna take a lot more than six.

Rodon hasn't thrown 140 IP since 2016.

Keuchel has made 30 starts once since 2015.

Cease, if he is even for real, has never thrown more than 141 IP in his pro career.

The same as Cease for Kopech, who also didn't pitch in a game last season.

Behind those six, they may not have anybody who could make the Clippers rotation.

all well and good - civale's never thrown more than 75 innings, plesac 115 - and all the rest of our maybes, up and comers and wannabees have thrown virtually nothing at the mlb level

our path to the division title might have more to do with getting a couple more guys hitting

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

our path to the division title might have more to do with getting a couple more guys hitting

Our path, if there is one, will definitely have more to do with getting some guys hitting. Also finding a reliable #5 starter. Hopefully Hentges will be that guy.

 

[thestatman]

In the preseason I definitely felt this was true.

Things have dramatically changed on Chicago's south side though. One through six, the White Sox look solid--Giolito, Keuchel, Lynn, Rodon, Cease, Kopech--all will easily do better than our one through six. The way Rodon and Cease are pitching, they can expect reasonable production at all six spots while we are very much uncertain, as Hentges last "start" showed (I still can't get over the fact that he didn't get a single swing and miss, not one!) Bottom line, the White Sox can get away with an indifferent defense and the loss of Eloy and Robert if their rotation and bullpen holds together. Tribe mustn't let Chicago get too far ahead...somehow we gotta stay close if we have divisional aspirations. It will be very interesting to see how the White Sox handle the desperate Twins this week.

Yes the emergence of Cease and Kopech shoots the White Sox rotation to the top in baseball. That's just the reality of the situation.

I'm hoping that Triston's last start was not an anomaly. And I'm hoping Scott Moss can be a decent #5.

Sam Hentges needs to work on many things at this point of his career.

 

[CATS44]

all well and good - civale's never thrown more than 75 innings, plesac 115 - and all the rest of our maybes, up and comers and wannabees have thrown virtually nothing at the mlb level

our path to the division title might have more to do with getting a couple more guys hitting

It's not about IP at the MLB level when it comes to stamina. Its about IP in game situations.

Plesac has thrown 180 IP in a season and Civale 165.

But that besides the point, too.

The question is whether each rotation can get thru the rotation with only six starters. Personally, I think it will take at least ten. And when that happens, the advantage swings big time.

These are the SPs in Chicago's AAA rotation...

Lambert
Paulino
Stiever
Tomshaw
Wright

The last two are 30 something org fillers.