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2021 Series #13 | Indians @ Angels | May 17-19, 2021

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Thanks to the internet, I just learned that the "B.J." in B.J. Uptons stands for "Bossman Junior"

Went by his birthname, Melvin, 2015-2019 before returning to the use of B.J.
 
Derek said:
Also, not to be Debbie Downer, but the likely outcome is that out of Gimenez, Miller, Arias, Freeman, Rocchio, etc... maybe 2 will turn out to be legitimately good, everyday players.

That's why you acquire all of these guys, so you can let them naturally weed each other out.
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This reminds me of when Amed Rosario and Franklin Barreto came up at roughly the same time as couldn't miss SS prospects and for whatever reason never developed the plate discipline to succeed in the majors. But they've since been traded and at least turned into something for the teams that traded them. An abundance of talent is a good thing regardless of how it's distributed.
 
KluberSociety said:
This reminds me of when Amed Rosario and Franklin Barreto came up at roughly the same time as couldn't miss SS prospects and for whatever reason never developed the plate discipline to succeed in the majors. But they've since been traded and at least turned into something for the teams that traded them. An abundance of talent is a good thing regardless of how it's distributed.
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Addison Russell and Javier Baez comes to mind as another one. I know Russell had some other shit going on, but he also wasn't that good.
 
thestatman said:
But not this year. The need is first base or shortstop. Worry about next season next year.
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I never implied "this year" even though I wouldn't be afraid to trade Hernandez at the AS break if Miller is hitting the shit out of the ball. If it gains them a good prospect then count me in. If it's just a salary dump then I'm not in favor of it. Again, everything depends on Miller's performance.
Derek said:
Also, not to be Debbie Downer, but the likely outcome is that out of Gimenez, Miller, Arias, Freeman, Rocchio, etc... maybe 2 will turn out to be legitimately good, everyday players.

That's why you acquire all of these guys, so you can let them naturally weed each other out.
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There's very little chance that Miller or Freeman don't become productive major league players. How productive can be questioned. Arias will at least be a defensive specialist with power for a SS. Rocchio's upside is huge, but he's a lower level prospect so anything can happen. The list of quality MIF prospects is long enough that there will still be plenty to "weed themselves out" if a couple are traded.
 
CDAV45 said:
There's very little chance that Miller or Freeman don't become productive major league players. How productive can be questioned. Arias will at least be a defensive specialist with power for a SS. Rocchio's upside is huge, but he's a lower level prospect so anything can happen. The list of quality MIF prospects is long enough that there will still be plenty to "weed themselves out" if a couple are traded.
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I think you're far too high on the outlook of our prospects. I'd say it's more likely than not that one of Freeman/Miller isn't even in the majors in 5 years, and I love both of them.

Maybe I'm just overly pragmatic.
 
Derek said:
I think you're far too high on the outlook of our prospects. I'd say it's more likely than not that one of Freeman/Miller isn't even in the majors in 5 years, and I love both of them.

Maybe I'm just overly pragmatic.
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Their bats profile as league average hitters at the very least. That's their floor, but it's more likely that they are both above average hitters with modest power. Miller has a bit more than Freeman. I'm not concerned with either of them TBH and that's not being "too high" on them. That's understanding what they are.
 
CDAV45 said:
Their bats profile as league average hitters at the very least. That's their floor, but it's more likely that they are both above average hitters with modest power. Miller has a bit more than Freeman. I'm not concerned with either of them TBH and that's not being "too high" on them. That's understanding what they are.
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I just don't agree at all that either of them has that high of a floor. Every single one of these guys could be bums in the majors.
 
Derek said:
I just don't agree at all that either of them has that high of a floor. Every single one of these guys could be bums in the majors.
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A little sad, but true.
If we get 2 legit players out of that cool cluster of potential, that would be great. I like so many of those guys, and have a good bit of hope, but...
 
Derek said:
I just don't agree at all that either of them has that high of a floor. Every single one of these guys could be bums in the majors.
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Yeah well, the guys that have produced in the majors could be bums too. There is no guarantee for anything in baseball. What you can take to the bank is that there are very few players or prospects that can swing a baseball bat like Owen Miller and Tyler Freeman. We're not talking about lower level guys here or I'd be in agreement with you. Hell, Miller skipped high A ball altogether.
 
Derek said:
I just don't agree at all that either of them has that high of a floor. Every single one of these guys could be bums in the majors.
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The great unknown with all hitters is how they do once all the teams know their weaknesses at the plate and force them to address them. Some do but many don't.
 
CDAV45 said:
Yeah well, the guys that have produced in the majors could be bums too. There is no guarantee for anything in baseball. What you can take to the bank is that there are very few players or prospects that can swing a baseball bat like Owen Miller and Tyler Freeman. We're not talking about lower level guys here or I'd be in agreement with you. Hell, Miller skipped high A ball altogether.
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Yes and now 2 years later he's up 1 level and 24 years old. He isn't exactly on the fastest pace ever for a player.

Does anyone have a good take on his approach at the plate? He's surely good at hitting line drives but I'm thinking more plate discipline.
 
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