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NothingLooks like we have a better OF prospect than Valera ... checkout #13. It's from a guy thats uses analytics but seemed higher on Noel and Valera in another post below



That guy also thinks the Guardians traded the #85 prospect for next to nothing.
 
He is highly regarded league wide right now, gained a lot of fans in front offices this past fall.

A few weeks ago, you said the next two international classes where going to be some of the best recently on both depth and top end talent. I assumed it wasn’t going to rival the 2017 class with Valera, Bracho, Rocchio, Tena, Noel and anyone else I missed.

But, if you got time, how do you see Chourio, Izturis and Francisco potential compared to this epic group? And, any others from that 2017 class that still may surprise ... know you like Paz from 2018 class but anyone like Micael Ramirez (a bit old I know) that just broke out in Arizona this past year?

Thanks
 
As of right now, no ranking service has Espino listed anywhere near top 20.

BA...65
BP...43
Fangraghs...50 at year end.
 
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A few weeks ago, you said the next two international classes where going to be some of the best recently on both depth and top end talent. I assumed it wasn’t going to rival the 2017 class with Valera, Bracho, Rocchio, Tena, Noel and anyone else I missed.

But, if you got time, how do you see Chourio, Izturis and Francisco potential compared to this epic group? And, any others from that 2017 class that still may surprise ... know you like Paz from 2018 class but anyone like Micael Ramirez (a bit old I know) that just broke out in Arizona this past year?

Thanks

To me this cycle and the next cycle are all about 5 guys.

Chourio, Izturis, and Pedro Hernandez Jr this year.
Francisca and Luis Yerlin in 23.

Francisca, in a lot of peoples minds, is the most talented international kid they've signed to date. He is growing into 5 loud tools, still just 15 too. Ridiculous how good he is at that age.

Chourio and Yerlin are both switch hitting OFers with projectable size and tools. Chourio 100% has enough juice to stick in CF and he isn't done growing yet (already 6'2 as a 16 year old) and is the more projectable guy of the 2, while Yerlin is an advanced hitter already projecting to be a corner guy.

Izturis was born to play baseball in his family, very smart and heady kid, bilingual which is unusual for an international prospect who never lived in the US (can thank his uncles for that) and I have already talked about how important that is for a catcher in todays game. He doesn't have a lot of growth projection left, but he can play.

And Hernandez is a big switch hitting middle infielder with raw tools all over the place, but it is easy to see the power potential and projection into a corner IF bat. Loud hit tool.

They have 2 kids who can hit already with high ceilings, 2 kids growing into their bodies with high ceilings, and a very high floor C prospect, which are hard to come by these days.
 
That guy also thinks the Guardians traded the #85 prospect for next to nothing.
I think he just throws numbers into a system and posts what it spits out. Which isn't bad to show what purely stats tell us but obviously there is more...

Kwan does have some beautiful stats though.
 
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I have a question about the catcher situation in our minors... Do you think they have had enough C talent brought in lately? I feel like personally we haven't had enough C talent in general brought in. I am glad Izturis can play C since that is something I feel like we don't have enough talent in overall...
 
As of right now, no ranking service has Espino listed anywhere near top 20.

BA...65
BP...43
Fangraghs...50 at year end.
If you read into how Law establishes his rankings, it seems a bit different than the other ranking services. I have read him enough to have a feel for where he comes from...his descriptions/projections add some context, too. In a gross oversimplification, he is a more ceiling than floor sort of guy.
Different topic, but perhaps related, he has noted he has missed on a number of CLE pitching prosepects ...the Tribe/Guardian development engine has surprised him.

I will try to cut and paste some of the Law Top 100.
 

From Law Top 100​

22. Brayan Rocchio, SS, Cleveland Guardians

Age: 21 | 5-10 | 170 pounds
Bats: Both | Throws: Right

Previous ranking: No. 99

Rocchio is a switch-hitting shortstop with surprising pop for his size, above-average defense at short and a great feel for the game on both sides of the ball. I apologize if I’ve inadvertently reminded Guardians fans of anyone in particular. Rocchio does a little of everything, and his 2021 season, where he went .277/.346/.460 between High A and Double A as a 20-year-old, is even more impressive given that he didn’t get to play anywhere in 2020, not even the Guardians’ alternate site. Rocchio has a short swing with quick wrists, but he generates more power than you might guess for a wiry 5-10 middle infielder, with real strength in his wrists, with 15 homers in 108 games last year. Rocchio’s a 55 runner but doesn’t always show it, and he’s a below-average base stealer, perhaps the only real flaw in his game. It’s an exciting package, and he’s a player who’ll probably be underestimated right up until he hits his way onto an All-Star team.
 

29. George Valera, OF, Cleveland Guardians​

Age: 21 | 5-11 | 185 pounds
Bats: Left | Throws: Left

Previous ranking: No. 76

Valera signed for $1.3 million way back in 2017, but due to multiple injuries and the lost 2020 season, he still has just 599 pro plate appearances, or just over one year’s worth. When he’s played, however, he’s shown exceptional patience and easy all-fields power, with 100 walks and 28 homers already in that brief career, all before he turned 21 this past November. Valera only played 86 games last year due to an oblique strain and had a weird season at the plate, barely facing any left-handed pitchers — they accounted for about 18 percent of his plate appearances — which skews his overall line, especially since he struck out in more than a third of those plate appearances against southpaws. He plays with a lot of panache — I believe “swaggy” might be the more contemporary term, fellow kids — and bat-flips his home runs like a boss. He has bat speed, big strength and an advanced eye at the plate, along with solid-average defense for right field, and there’s just an electricity to the way he plays. He’s not a finished product, due in no small part to his limited playing time, but he might be a 30-homer/80-walk guy at his peak.
 

51. Daniel Espino, RHP, Cleveland Guardians​

Age: 21 | 6-2 | 205 pounds
Bats: Right | Throws: Right
Drafted: No. 24 in 2019

Previous ranking: Unranked

Espino was the 24th pick in 2019, part of a run of hard-throwing high school pitchers the Guardians took in 2018-19. He made his full-season debut in 2021, where he posted the highest strikeout rate (40.5 percent) of any pitcher who threw at least 75 innings at any level. Espino came into 2021 in better shape to get through a full season, and progressed over the course of the year as well, learning to use his fastball more effectively and seeing development on his offspeed stuff. He’s pitching more vertically now, going up with the four-seamer (which can touch 100) and staying behind the ball more, resulting in hitters missing the pitch more than they did even in high school. His slider projects to be plus, and has supplanted his curveball as his primary breaking pitch, while his average changeup has been good enough to help him dominate lefties as he was right-handed batters. Espino’s main issue now is command and control — he walked just over 10 percent of batters this year, but he’s also generally inefficient and has to work to generate some more weak contact rather than trying to finish every at bat with a strikeout. I doubt he’ll ever get to above-average command, but even average command with this stuff would make him a No. 2 starter.
 
Nice grouping of three top prospects.. good guys, too..
 
Looks like we have a better OF prospect than Valera ... checkout #13. It's from a guy thats uses analytics but seemed higher on Noel and Valera in another post below



Did he get the comps for Rocchio and Kwan swapped? Cronenworth is a MIFer and Hays is an OFer. Or is this another case of the computers not being able to quantify half the game?
 
Did he get the comps for Rocchio and Kwan swapped? Cronenworth is a MIFer and Hays is an OFer. Or is this another case of the computers not being able to quantify half the game?

You arent reading it right, it was just purely bat comparison not fielding/position...
 

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