2022 Off-season Thread - The Future is Bright

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[Alabuckeye]

Thought Broad Thomas played for the Tribe in the 80’s

 

[foucault87]

We shouldve retired 33 by now. Brodric Thomas was the GOAT

 

[jjvors]

I agree that if things fall right we could be a top 4 seed. But Boston, Milwaukee, Philly are going to be tough and, if Brooklyn decides to play this year (big if) they are still loaded with talent. I just threw the 5 seed out there because that's one spot higher than Vegas currently has us. I think we will do better than the 6 seed.

We were a lock for 6th seed last year when we lost Allen. That's amazingly low even without Mitchell. I expect improvement from Mobley, Allen, and Garland, along with Mitchell's offense, we'll be deadly.

 

[Peacedog]

Cavs are gonna be the top seed in the East this year, but get knocked out in the 2nd round.

 

[sportscoach]

Re: Tristan v Kyrie

If Tristan hit that shot I’d retire his number. But Kyrie did that, so he gets it instead. I know people bemoan his exit but the way he fucked Boston around bolsters his case IMO.

Neither guy deserves to have their jersey retired in my mind. LeBron will get his retired I am sure, but career wise TT and Varajao have similar totals, but TT did it in less years of course. Kyrie was here 6 seasons, not enough in my mind to retire a jersey. Now where they in the hall of good, yes, but not jersey retiring good...

 

[cavsfever]

For Mitchell we essentially sent 4 FRPs (including Agbaji), 2 pick swaps, and 2 very good rotation players.

Without the trade, and the pieces developing as expected, I would have expected the Cavs to at least compete in the first round of the play-offs, if not win in the first round. So, my expectation after the trade is the Cavs reaching the ECF this season, at the minimum. And barring any major injuries, we should play in the finals in the next season.

Considering what the Cavs had to give up in the trade, what, in your opinion would justify the trade in the short run? NBA finals this season? At least ECF this season?

Competitive in a second round series is minimum that justifies it to me. So we win the first round, showing we are a top four team in the East, and being competitive in the second would show things are looking up for the future. We really did mortgage our draft talent pipeline for almost a decade for this, it had better work.

Still think we might have been able to get away with keeping Markkanen. Ainge knows how to make it hurt.

 

[cavsfever]

First off IF we play up to our potential (and barring injuries) those drafts will be in the mid to late 20s (no big loss there), Utah won’t be swapping with because of reason -#1, we weren’t going to pay Sexton what he wanted so trading him was a good move, trading the rook was an “unknown” as he might have been a steal in the draft or no (never can tell with rookies)! So really this is really Sexton and Lauri for DM which I can deal with!

There’s a little bit of cope in all these “picks don’t matter” takes. Picks don’t matter until they do and then they are incredibly important, irreplaceable. They are your insurance policy for a quick rebuild if anything bad happens. Two of our big three came through picks, that’s why we’re in such a good position today. Our picks are now encumbered (traded or swapped) thru 2029

 

[Cavatt]

There’s a little bit of cope in all these “picks don’t matter” takes. Picks don’t matter until they do and then they are incredibly important, irreplaceable. They are your insurance policy for a quick rebuild if anything bad happens. Two of our big three came through picks, that’s why we’re in such a good position today. Our picks are now encumbered (traded or swapped) thru 2029

Well Hopefully we can trade some of our allstars when things fall off for more picks. Need to do what Utah did with their guys once their ceiling was reached and not wait much longer.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

There’s a little bit of cope in all these “picks don’t matter” takes. Picks don’t matter until they do and then they are incredibly important, irreplaceable. They are your insurance policy for a quick rebuild if anything bad happens. Two of our big three came through picks, that’s why we’re in such a good position today. Our picks are now encumbered (traded or swapped) thru 2029

When you’re picking mid to late 20s they lose their value! The FRPs that really matter in a rebuild are 1-15….after that “ho hum”

 

[I'mWithDan]

Well Hopefully we can trade some of our allstars when things fall off for more picks. Need to do what Utah did with their guys once their ceiling was reached and not wait much longer.

Yeah, I don't know why this answer is more blindly ignored in these discussions.

If we spend 2 years with this failed experiment, the answer is you likely just trade Mitchell / Allen.

Then you take those picks to retool around Garland and Mobley, who will only be 23 and 24 respectively.

It isn't that the compensation flat out doesn't matter........it is that the Cavs have an eject pathway that doesn't leave them dead in the water.

If you do something like this with OLD players and it doesn't work out, you are royally screwed.

If you do it with a core this young, I really don't see there being anything more than marginal downside at worst.

 

[Cavatt]

Yeah, I don't know why this answer is more blindly ignored in these discussions.

If we spend 2 years with this failed experiment, the answer is you likely just trade Mitchell / Allen.

Then you take those picks to retool around Garland and Mobley, who will only be 23 and 24 respectively.

It isn't that the compensation flat out doesn't matter........it is that the Cavs have an eject pathway that doesn't leave them dead in the water.

If you do something like this with OLD players and it doesn't work out, you are royally screwed.

If you do it with a core this young, I really don't see there being anything more than marginal downside at worst.

Yeah career ending injuries would be a problem, but this is not trading for Westbrook at the end of his usefulness.

Allen, Darius, and Evan all are all worth more than the assets we used to get them today.

One way I made sense of what we gave up here was looking at

2 swaps
4 Firsts
Agbaji
Sexton
Lauri
Exum

For Allen and Mitchell.

If you turned around and traded Mitchell and Allen right now, you could very likely get more than that.

Even if Sexton becomes an allstar and Agbaji is a high end roleplayer it is still worth it.

 

[Dr No]

We were a lock for 6th seed last year when we lost Allen. That's amazingly low even without Mitchell. I expect improvement from Mobley, Allen, and Garland, along with Mitchell's offense, we'll be deadly.

the craziness is that the east has 6 teams (maybe 7 if you count Toronto) that are good enough to win 50 games - Miami, Philly, Boston, & Milwaukee did it last year and could easily do it again. Add us and Brooklyn and its just a loaded field.

 

[jjvors]

the craziness is that the east has 6 teams (maybe 7 if you count Toronto) that are good enough to win 50 games - Miami, Philly, Boston, & Milwaukee did it last year and could easily do it again. Add us and Brooklyn and its just a loaded field.

It'll be a dog fight all year. May the best team win--the Cavaliers!

 

[Douglar]

Introducing Donovan Mitchell to the Cavaliers and his new city

What are the Cavaliers getting in Donovan Mitchell? How will he fit in with his new teammates? Our Jazz expert sounds off.

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KR: The Cavs made this move to accelerate their progress and officially move out of the rebuild. With Mitchell on the roster, what do you see as Cleveland’s ceiling?​

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TJ: I think they are a piece short as presently constituted. There’s too much of a shooting deficit from the wing spots. But the beauty of the Cavaliers’ situation right now is that they have a young and dynamic core with multiple all-NBA talents that are each under contract at minimum for three seasons. This core is good enough to attract veteran talent with a midlevel exception or two down the road. For this season, they certainly have top six upside in the Eastern Conference. But they also have the benefit of time as the teams currently in front of them begin to age out.​