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2023-24 Season | Playoff series #1 | Cavaliers vs. Magic |

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As short as he is he needs space to get off a 3-pointer, so if the defender is close he has no choice other than to penetrate. I think it's great when he blows by his man and gets into the paint. Ideally he forces the opposing big to defend him and finishes with a lob to our big.
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If he would dribble inside and then dish, great. But far too often, he just dribbles inside, can't figure out what to do, then dribbles his way back out the other side of the floor. And far too often, losing the ball in the process. Even when he doesn't, he leaves us with a short clock and poor shooting opportunities.

He needs to make decisions faster, and not press in if the defense hasn't given him a lane.
 

“I’m not Tacko Fall” LOL.

Love his support of JA who needs that message to go out there and dominate. But he should have given credit to the ‘fro for kicking Draymond in the balls this season. Also Don has been chippy a few times and baited Draymond into getting ejected in the other game.

Great blog post.
 
Not to be condescending, but considering that teams up 3-0 in a best of seven playoff series are 151-0 in that series, that’s not really going out on a limb…lol
Yea I wasn't trying to go out on a limb. I was more saying that game 3 is a big one because if you win it, you basically wrap up the series.
 
Winning Game 3 makes it highly likely it’s a short series.
Losing Game 3 risks making it a long series.

Wrapping up this series in 4 or 5 games would be a huge help going into the next round as the Boston - Miami series is going at least 5 games.
 

CLEVELAND, Ohio —The Cavs have a fight on their hands, and we should’ve seen it coming. We should’ve seen through the clanked 3-pointers, should’ve looked past the Magic’s pathetic rebounding numbers through two games and should’ve recognized Orlando for what it really was:

A bunch of twenty-something kids who needed to go home.

The Magic beat Cleveland 121-83 on Thursday at the Kia Center, with the arena name being the operative phrase here. Orlando made more shots, played with more energy and looked more like the team that won 47 games in the regular season during Game 3.

Why? Because it played in the same building where it won most of those games. To be exact: the Magic finished 29-12 at home and 17-23 on the road this season. They allowed almost seven more points during away games (111.9 per game) than during home games (105 per game). And they scored over four more points at the Kia than they did at any other arena.

Those differences scream youth and inexperience, which is why it was so disappointing to see the Cavs display similar tendencies with a more seasoned group. The Cavs made fewer shots, played with less energy and looked more like the team that finished 10-14 over its final 24 games during Game 3, and we didn’t see it coming.

Why? Because we (incorrectly) thought the Cavs were over all their growing pains.

Four more takeaways from Cleveland’s Game 3 loss:

2. Banchero answers like a star

Magic forward Paolo Banchero entered Game 3 with almost as many turnovers (15) as made field goals. He responded like a superstar should, tallying 31 points, 14 rebounds and five assists. He also finished 13-of-26 from the field (4-of-9 from 3) and, crucially, committed zero turnovers.

He started slow in the first quarter, during which he took 13 (!) shots and made just four. But Banchero kept shooting, started hitting, and eventually the Cavs ran out of answers.

Perhaps most notably: Banchero played his best game of this series while barely shooting any free throws. During the regular season, he scored 5.1 points per game at the free throw line. On Thursday, he made just one during the competitive portion of the game.

Instead, he made difficult, contested jump shots over Cleveland defenders. He took care of the ball. And if he can continue those two trends, this series could be a long one.

3. Cooked early without Mitchell:

Donovan Mitchell rested for the first time Thursday with the just under two minutes left in the first quarter and the Cavs trailing 24-21. He returned six minutes later to find his team trailing by 12.

Mitchell didn’t play well during Game 3, during which he scored 13 points on 6-of-16 shooting. But the Cavs didn’t help him by disintegrating at the first moment he needed a break. Cleveland lost Mitchell’s six rest minutes by nine points before he returned in the second quarter which kickstarted the Magic momentum that the Cavs could never break.

Yes, Mitchell was part of the problem on Thursday. Orlando outscored Cleveland by 25 points with Mitchell on the court. But if the team can’t keep a road playoff game close when its star has an off night, then the team’s problems go deeper than the star player’s poor performance.

4. Suggs’ knee, jumper look good

Jalen Suggs looked done for the series, if not the summer, when he sprained his knee during the first quarter of Game 2. Suggs couldn’t stand or walk on his own power when it the injury occurred. Teammates carried him off the court.

Three days later, Suggs scored 24 points on 9-of-11 shooting and 3-of-5 from 3-point range. He also added four rebounds, three asissts and two steals, and he reprised his role as the first line of Orlando’s defense. In some ways, he carried his teammates.

Maybe the Magic have a great medical staff, or maybe Suggs has a higher pain tolerance than most. Regardless, the Cavs may be in big trouble if Suggs can replicate his Game 3 performance.

5. First true test of playoff readiness

The Cavs got off the plane in Orlando with a sweep in their reach. They were strangling Orlando’s offense and dominating the rebound battle. They won two games by double digits without shooting better than 44% in either of their first two wins.

Now? They’ve been embarrassed, de-pantsed, punched squarely in the jaw. When this series resumes on Saturday, the Magic will arrive at the Kia Center infused with swagger. The Cavs will arrive with something to prove.

The pressure to perform has changed hands, regardless of how small the sample size. Losing by 38 — and trailing by 40-plus — rings alarm bells. And for the first time since last year’s loss against the Knicks, Cleveland’s is sounding.

We know how they responded last year. Now it’s time to learn — really learn — how much the Cavs have grown from their last ugly postseason loss.
 
Second article of doom


CLEVELAND, Ohio – For the Cavs, this wasn’t simply a playoff loss in Orlando.

It was a debacle, an embarrassment and a game that brought up the question of their toughness.

Not physical, but mental.

How could the Cavs not see this coming?

“We’ll take care of home,” Orlando Coach Jamahl Mosley said before the game. “That’s what Cleveland did. They took care of their home court – and that’s what we have to do.”

That’s what they did, and the Cavs seemed overwhelmed by the Magic’s energy and intensity.

“They set the tone,” said Cavs Coach J.B. Bickerstaff. “They played with a sense of urgency. This game is about the need to set the tone early.”

Orlando is the NBA’s fourth youngest team with minimal playoff experience. The Magic also were 29-12 on their court in the regular season, fourth best home record in the NBA.

WRONG HEADED-THINKING

Perhaps the worst thing that happened Thursday was Orlando missing its first nine shots. By the middle of the first quarter, the Cavs had a 10-3 lead.

Ballgame, the Cavs seemed to think.

They thought wrong.

They thought like a team that believed it was entitled to this victory simply because they had led for every second of the first two games.

They thought like a team with no interest in defense, no inner grit to bounce back once Orlando found its confidence.

Final Score: Orlando 121, Cavs 83.

HOW TO EXPLAIN THIS?

The Cavs took the court in Orlando Thursday night leading the best of 7 first round series 2-0. Both wins were in Cleveland, and maybe the Cavs were fooled by that.

“Our defense has to hold us up,” Cavs Coach J.B. Bickerstaff said before the game.

Instead, the defense let them down.

The offense? I don’t know what they’re doing, and neither do they.

Donovan Mitchell had been the spark early in the first two games. He seemed distracted, not driving to the rim or pushing the pace.

He seemed to have his leg or something bothering him near the end of the second quarter of Game 2. He finished with 13 points on 6 of 16 shooting.


If Mitchell isn’t right, this series can take a sour turn for the Cavs.

WHERE WAS EVERYONE ELSE?

Darius Garland was awful, shooting 2 of 10 for five points. He shot 50% in the first two games, which helped make up for some sloppy ballhandling. Garland is on a maximum contract, but he’s been outrageously inconsistent.

Evan Mobley? He had two rebounds in 22 minutes. That’s right, TWO rebounds … and there’s a lot wrong with that.


Jarrett Allen was solid with 15 points and eight rebounds.

The Cavs were crushed on the boards: 51-32.

What was wrong? A lack of effort, period.

Max Strus? He was 2 of 6 shooting for four points. Strus is shooting 7 of 21 in the series, 2 of 14 from 3-point range. He had 18 rebounds in the first two games, only one in this game.

When there is a loss like this, a lot of the blame will fall in the coach. It should. But it’s not all about Bickerstaff. The Cavs aren’t a young team. All their key players have been through some pressurized playoff encounters.

It’s Orlando that was supposed to be the team paralyzed when the playoff lights became too bright.

Instead, it was the Cavs who seemed frozen, unable to react to the first time they were challenged in this series.
 
Niang, Okoro and Merrill really aren't good fits in this series. That's what happens when you build a team to matchup with the Celtics and Bucks. With equal chances vs the 76ers.
 
Stop giving them open looks. Let Paulo get 50 don’t let these other dudes get going
 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- In this episode of the Wine and Gold Talk podcast, the hosts discuss the pressure on the Cavs to respond after Game 3 embarrassment and the need for them to answer big-picture questions during the postseason.

Transcription as follows:

Takeaways:

-The Cavs suffered a devastating loss to the Orlando Magic in Game 3, the worst in franchise playoff history.

-Donovan Mitchell struggled against tough defense from Jalen Suggs.

-The Cavs’ offense faltered, with players like Darius Garland and Max Strus failing to make shots.

-The Cavs lacked toughness and physicality, allowing the Magic to dominate the boards and score second-chance points.

-Paolo Banchero had a standout performance for the Magic, showcasing his scoring ability and confidence.

-The Cavs’ defense, which was supposed to be their strength, was lacking in effort and communication.

-The Cavs need to regroup and make adjustments to bounce back in the series. The Cavs face pressure and must answer big picture questions during the playoffs.

-A terrible playoff loss does not necessarily predict the outcome of the series.
 
And the hits keep coming….this from the Athletic:


ORLANDO, Fla. — The least of the Cleveland Cavaliers’ concerns is the thing that looks and sounds the worst — they just suffered the most lopsided defeat in a playoff game in franchise history.


“The message in the locker room has been it doesn’t matter if they win by 60 or one point; it’s one win,” Donovan Mitchell noted, correctly. “You don’t get two wins for winning by more than 20.”

The 121-83 loss to the Orlando Magic, a 38-point defeat that broke a franchise playoff record that stood for 16 years and a day, is no big deal in and of itself because there are explanations for it. With the proliferation of the 3-pointer in the NBA and putting in punt teams early because Game 4 of this first-round series is at 1 p.m. Saturday, the conditions for a blowout loss were ripe.

The Cavs still lead this series 2-1. But there is plenty to worry about. In no particular order:

Orlando’s changes worked. All of them

The Magic replaced Jonathan Isaac at center with Wendell Carter Jr. They used Jalen Suggs as a primary defender on Mitchell and otherwise often threw two defenders at a time at the Cavs’ best player. Moving Isaac to the bench freed him up to cause more problems at both ends of the court, including occasional switches onto Darius Garland.

Between Carter’s physical presence in the lineup and the pressure the Magic applied to Mitchell and Garland, Orlando had a ton of juice to attack Cleveland’s interior defense in a way that did not seem possible through two games.

“You could tell that (Magic coach) Jamal Mosley did an excellent job planning for this game,” said Jarrett Allen, whose 15 points and eight rebounds were good but not nearly enough. “There’s times when I was just in the corner, I stood in the corner last game, but, just overall, you could see tiny differences that accumulate into a lot.”

In the previous decade with the Cavs, if a star player had, after a loss, praised the opposing coach by name … well, I don’t have to tell you how it would have been interpreted. I don’t know if Allen was prodding his coach, J.B, Bickerstaff, for adjustments, and I don’t know what the point was about Allen standing in the corner.

But Allen’s explanations of what happened Thursday night were alarming.

“We felt like we were a step behind every single thing that they did,” Allen said. “Whether there was someone driving to the rim, me standing in the paint, or just rebounding the ball. We were just a little slow.”

The Magic obliterated Cleveland on the glass 51-32, with 14 offensive rebounds that led to 22 points. They also outscored the Cavs in the paint for the first time in this series. Carter had two points and five rebounds, but it was his presence — wider body, stronger, boxed his man out from would-be boards — that seemed to matter.

For the first time in this series, the Cavs have to adjust. It’s not going to be a lineup change; the eight guys Bickerstaff plays are the ones who are going to keep playing. You can say Sam Merrill knocked down three 3s Thursday, and Cleveland as a team can’t make anything from deep, and both statements would be correct. But all of Merrill’s 3s came in garbage time, and I just don’t think there is an appetite to go away from Georges Niang, who is definitely struggling but has a wealth of playoff experience.

“It starts with the things that we talk about that impact winning and whether or not we feel confident that our guys can do that — down here on the road,” Bickerstaff said. “There’s no doubt about it in my mind. We’re capable of doing the small things that impact winning. The rebounding, the 50-50 balls, the physicality, strength, all those things that we were doing at home doesn’t change because we’re on the road. And it doesn’t change just because of one game — whether or not we’re able to do it. We’re able to do it. And I expect us to be better on Saturday.”

Plucky to ugly, in a hurry

When the Cavs were ahead 2-0, there was a cute little storyline that they had controlled the series without playing particularly well on offense.

I even bought into it, writing this story about Max Strus and Niang contributing to winning without knocking down shots.

On Thursday, the Magic made 13 3s and shot 51 percent from the field. This was the only time this series in which Orlando put forth anything that resembled an NBA offense. Paolo Banchero (31 points, 13-of-26 shooting) and Suggs (24 points, 9-of-11) were particularly awesome.

The Cavs obviously didn’t respond. They are now the team in this series that can’t shoot straight.

Mitchell was 6-of-16. Garland, 2-of-10. Strus, 2-of-6. Niang, real bad until garbage time. The Cavs as a team shot 8-of 34 from 3-point range. Strus and Niang are 3-of-24 on 3s in this series. Mitchell is 6-of-24.

“They’re getting shots — it’s not like they’re not getting quality looks,” Bickerstaff said. “You know, again, I just believe in these guys. And we continue to create those shots. They’re going to make it. What it comes down to is timing and rhythm, and we’re at our best when that ball is moving and those guys know when their shots are coming. So I do think that’s an area we can continue to improve on … how we touch the paint, how do we force them into closeouts, how we make them chase us. The ball moves, and then we find those guys with their feet set, ready to knock them down.”

Let’s talk

Banchero was backing down Cavs’ defenders, and then telling them they’re too small after his shots went through the hoop.

Suggs was screaming at Cleveland’s bench, as was Franz Wagner.

Overall, the Magic seemed to have a lot to say for a team which, for all the good it did on the court Thursday, still trails in this series.

Most, but not all, of the Magic’s talking seemed to be directed toward Cleveland’s bench, particularly toward Tristan Thompson and Marcus Morris — two playoff veterans who, so far, haven’t had roles in this series.

Will the Cavs’ regulars have any response to Banchero’s theatrics, which included throwing hand signs in Morris’ direction after a 3-pointer?

“To be honest with you, ain’t nobody say anything to me,” Mitchell said. “Good to know.”

“I mean, it makes sense — they’re at home, and they have their crowd with them,” Evan Mobley said. “They started knocking down shots, got their crowd fired up. So we got to make it tough on them and come up with the rebounds. And, maybe their swagger isn’t as strong the next game.”

Players say they like trash talking in the playoffs. Mitchell and Banchero both said it’s fun.

“They were talking a lot in Game 1 and 2, and I was talking a lot tonight,” Banchero said. “But I’ve got a lot of respect for both of those guys, Morris and Tristan. Morris, he’s one of the guys who, he kind of gave me the work my rookie year. So after that, I kind of always had respect for him. He’s an older guy, too, so he kind of talked to you like an old head. But it’s fun going back and forth. I have words for those guys, and they got words for me.”

If the Cavs took two huge steps forward earlier in this series in trying to erase the “soft” label they’d earned in getting pushed around last year by the New York Knicks, they gave one back on Thursday.
“I expect those guys who are battle tested to show up and be ready to go (Saturday) because we believe and have confidence in them,” Bickerstaff said.

The Athletic’s Josh Robbins contributed.
 
But that’s the way it’s going to be against a physical team like Orlando. That's their identity. They're a byproduct of Jamal Mosey, who was an assistant coach my first year here with Byron Scott. So, I know his mentality is being tough dudes and hitting people in the mouth. Because at the end of the day, I know what he believes in. He believes if you play hard, playing hard always beats talent.

So, we’ve got to match that
, because I believe we’re more talented, we just got to play more rough and tough. - Tristan Thompson


I'm not sure about that. What I saw last night was Paolo Banchero making one amazing contested shot after another while the Cavs were bricking wide open 3's. It wasn't that Banchero was playing harder; he was making great shots, including fallaways with a hand in his face, the kind Evan Mobley wouldn't even attempt.

He was 4-for-9 on 3's while Mobley was 0-for-3. He outrebounded Mobley 14 to 2 and had seven offensive boards. The power forward matchup was a joke; Banchero was so much better in every area offensively. Mobley was better defensively, but in the NBA it usually comes down to which team shoots better.

Yes, the Magic played hard. But Suggs was 9-for-11. Banchero was 13-for-26. Wagner was 6-for-12. They made their shots. The Cavs didn't, shooting 39% overall and 23.5% on 3's. After three games the Cavs are making 27.2% of their 3's. They can't win when they barely make one out of four.

The Magic made some adjustments that worked, now it's up to JBB to respond. But what can he do when players are either taking contested shots early in the clock or missing one open jumper after another?
 
Too often, he penetrates for the sake of penetrating against a set defense as if something good should happen simply because you get closer to the basket. Even if he doesn't have a path to the basket itself or an open shot. So he dribbles in, can't go anywhere, and then just circles around and dribbles back out. Waste of a good 8 seconds or so.

He doesn't really even create that many good inside-out looks for others because his penetrations aren't sufficiently dangerous to collapse the rest of the defense, or he just can't find a passing lane out.

Not saying he's not a good player, but that's the biggest flaw I can see in his offensive game. Just reduce the number of pointless drives inside against set defenses.

If Mitchell re-signs then Garland MUST GO!

Throw Porter into the deep end and let him learn on the fly.

I want to say this…..Gsrland is not a very good PG. Maybe average! Ask yourself this question: “What is a true PG”?

A true PG is a player that directs traffic, controls tempo, gets the ball to the hot hand, gets the ball to the right guy, where he wants it, in the right spot etc…..

GARLAND DOES NONE OF THIS!!!!
 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- In this episode of the Wine and Gold Talk podcast, the hosts discuss the pressure on the Cavs to respond after Game 3 embarrassment and the need for them to answer big-picture questions during the postseason.

Transcription as follows:

Takeaways:

-The Cavs suffered a devastating loss to the Orlando Magic in Game 3, the worst in franchise playoff history.

-Donovan Mitchell struggled against tough defense from Jalen Suggs.

-The Cavs’ offense faltered, with players like Darius Garland and Max Strus failing to make shots.

-The Cavs lacked toughness and physicality, allowing the Magic to dominate the boards and score second-chance points.

-Paolo Banchero had a standout performance for the Magic, showcasing his scoring ability and confidence.

-The Cavs’ defense, which was supposed to be their strength, was lacking in effort and communication.

-The Cavs need to regroup and make adjustments to bounce back in the series. The Cavs face pressure and must answer big picture questions during the playoffs.

-A terrible playoff loss does not necessarily predict the outcome of the series.
Here's Fedor's quote, almost verbatim:

"There are legitimate questions about the Cavs mental toughness. It is abundantly clear that teams around the NBA think the Cavs are a bunch of pussies. They talk with them constantly, they jaw with them, then celebrate in their faces. Franz Wagner called Marcus Morris Sr an A-hole. Jalen Suggs basically danced in the face of the Cavs' bench and was talking smack to Tristan Thompson the whole game. Paolo Banchero did the "too small" after scoring on Donovan Mitchell. Yeah, the Magic are mouthy, probably mouthier than they should be losing a series two games to one, but it's up to the Cavs to shut them up and do something about it. I'm not talking about throwing a guy into a stanchion or a flagrant two, just show some toughness, show some pride...match their level of effort and physicality. For the Cavs to give up 14 offensive rebounds...that led to 22 second chance points."
 
It looks to me like the Cavs are, in fact, too small. Suggs is bigger than Mitchell, Harris is bigger than Garland, Franz Wagner is way bigger than Okoro and Strus and can shoot over them at will.

Banchero is not taller than Mobley but he's a lot stronger and last night he slammed into Mobley enough to create space to shoot his fallaway.

Guys coming off the bench like Mo Wagner are bigger than Niang. LeVert is too skinny to defend guys like Suggs.

Being either shorter or skinnier than the Magic at every position except center was not a problem as long as the Magic were shooting 32% and missing 75% of their wide open shots. But once they settled down and started making those shots the Cavs had no response.

In order to beat a taller, stronger, and more physical team it takes skill - better ball handling, passing, and shooting.

My concern is that neither Garland or Mitchell are 100%. Strus is a complementary player; he doesn't create shots on his own. Same for Allen, Mobley, Niang, Okoro, and Merrill. It all depends on Garland, Mitchell, and LeVert to beat their man off the dribble and either knock down the shot or pass to an open teammate after another defender picks them up.

If Garland and Mitchell are playing with a back injury and a sore knee and can't hit their shots (they went 8-for-26 last night) and LeVert can only make layups then the offense is in a lot of trouble. They still haven't scored 100 points.

Niang and Strus were brought in after the Knicks' debacle to provide 3-point shooting. They're 6-for-30!

The problem is not lack of effort or toughness. These guys can't shoot straight.
 

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