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What are they doing with Wes Parsons? His Columbus numbers are very good but they haven't been really stretching him out much to be a starter.
I think they are stretching him, his last start shows he only pitch just over 3 innings, but he threw 62 pitches, I’m with you with Parson I’m hoping we can strike lighting twice, and get some Lively production out of him, Still having gave up on Curry, but he had look pretty pedestrian since his great start in Boston……
 
If there anything I have learn over the years in the minor leagues , it’s a big jump and talent level to level , if you were to flip the hitter and pitchers at Akron and Columbus , Those pitchers in Akron might not look so good , at the same time we’re gushing over the same pitcher at Columbus killing it at Akron.

Not saying every pitcher and hitter Would flop or excel if roles were reversed, but I’m not just looking at ERA or Hitting Avg to get excited, now if your talking Myles Straw his Stats would probably look the same at every level, lol

Well they couldn't do any worse plus we need to kind of know IF we should protect them for the 25 season anyways...
 
What are they doing with Wes Parsons? His Columbus numbers are very good but they haven't been really stretching him out much to be a starter.
Bimbo says they are stretching him out and he needs 2-3 more starts to get to 85-90 pitches. He just went 3.2 innings a couple of nights ago so he's almost to Carrasco territory already.

I'm praying that Parsons turns into the next Lively as cliffdawg said in the previous post and also that Gavin Williams gets back before too much longer. Also, Cookie went six innings allowing just one run against the Angels on just 71 pitches - can he possibly start going 5-6 innings consistently?
 
Cleveland has 11 comeback wins and is now 6-2 in extra-inning games.

Wait - 11 of our 24 wins have been come-from-behinds? Love this team!
 
Fangraphs has a long column on Kwan. I pasted some of it. What's interesting to me is the part about hitting the ball at the right angle is better than hitting it hard as well as the part about Kwan being the Master of the Shadow Zone.

The injury, expected to sideline Kwan for four weeks, comes at a time when he’s been at his absolute best. He’s hitting .353/.407/.496, good enough to lead the AL in batting average and rank third in on-base percentage, fourth in WAR (1.9), seventh in wRC+ (164), and even 13th in slugging percentage. What’s remarkable is that he’s doing this the way he always does: rarely hitting the ball hard, but just about always hitting it if it’s in the strike zone. In fact, Kwan’s 84.4 mph average exit velocity is the lowest mark of his three-year career:

Steven Kwan Statcast Profile

Season BBE EV LA Barrel% HardHit% AVG xBA SLG xSLG wOBA xwOBA
2022 509 85.1 11.8 1.4% 20.8% .298 .268 .400 .341 .341 .312
2023 570 86.0 10.7 1.1% 18.8% .268 .282 .370 .358 .313 .317
2024 122 84.4 11.0 3.3% 18.0% .353 .322 .496 .426 .399 .355

Kwan’s exit velocity ranks in just the fourth percentile, but don’t worry, he can go lower. His hard-hit rate, which is also a career low, ranks in the first percentile, but his barrel rate — which has tripled relative to last year — is waaaay up in the 15th percentile instead of also ranking in the first percentile, as it has in each of the past two seasons. He’s already barreled four balls, putting him more than halfway to his career high of seven. Similarly, his three homers put him halfway to his career high of six.

Kwan couldn’t succeed without doing some things very well. He’s very disciplined at the plate, chasing just 24% of pitches outside the zone according to Sports Info Solutions’ measure. If he likes a pitch in the zone enough to swing, he doesn’t miss it. His 96.9% zone contact rate is the majors’ second highest...

Where Kwan has been particularly effective relative to years past is in the shadow zone, the region that’s roughly one ball width inside and outside the strike zone
:

Steven Kwan in the Shadow Zone

Season PA H AVG xBA SLG xSLG wOBA xwOBA
2022 268 62 .256 .247 .318 .298 .284 .279
2023 318 71 .242 .253 .314 .303 .268 .271
2024 63 22 .379 .389 .517 .493 .417 .408

SOURCE: Baseball Savant

Kwan’s wOBA on those balls this year is just one point below his wOBA on balls in the heart of the zone (.409, via a .381 AVG and .556 SLG), which is just ridiculous. Five of his 11 extra-base hits have come on such pitches, including a homer off Chris Sale on April 26, a triple off Justin Verlander on May 1, and a couple of doubles at the expense of A’s outfielders who must have been testing their slapstick routines...

By Statcast’s swing/take metric, Kwan is three runs above average in the shadow zone, good for 13th in the majors and a 15-run improvement relative to last year.

Nobody will confuse Kwan’s batted ball stats with those of Shohei Ohtani, but he does excel in the type of contact that’s reflected by his sweet spot rate, the percentage of batted balls hit with a launch angle between eight and 32 degrees. Last year, batters hit .593 and slugged 1.092 on sweet spot contact, making such balls a bit more productive than 95-mph-and-above hard-hit balls (.506 AVG/1.008 SLG), though not nearly as productive as barrels (.742 AVG/2.493 SLG). So far this year, batters are hitting .572 and slugging 1.007 on sweet spot contact. Kwan hasn’t been quite that good with his sweet spot contact (.528 AVG/.801 SLG), but his 40.2% sweet spot rate is the highest of his career and places him in the 86th percentile, up from 34.6% (61st percentile) in 2022 and 37.7% (85th percentile) in ’23.

The other thing to note about Kwan is his defense. In both 2022 and ’23, he led all left fielders in both Defensive Runs Saved (21 runs above average in 2022, 16 last year) and Statcast’s Fielding Run Value (8 in 2022, 7 last year). Obviously, the sample size is small, but Kwan is tied for the major league lead with 4 FRV and is tied for third with 4 DRS as well....

Kwan’s roster spot was taken by Manzardo, a 23-year-old lefty first baseman whom the Rays drafted in the second round in 2021 out of Washington State and then dealt to Cleveland in the Aaron Civale trade last July 31....

Manzardo played well enough during spring training that he probably should have broken camp with the team, but between his not being on the 40-man roster yet and Florial being out of options, he drew the short straw. Back at Columbus, he lit up the International League, hitting .303/.375/.642 with nine homers and a 149 wRC+ in 128 PA while more than doubling his barrel rate from last year’s 9.6% to 19.8%; on 91 batted ball events, that’s not nothing. President of baseball operations Chris Antonetti praised his work at Columbus:

“He’s been good against left-handed pitching, his approach against lefties has improved… He’s worked really hard at his defense, both his footwork around the bag and his throwing and he continues to put up and manage really good at-bats.”

Manzardo was a pushover against lefties last year, hitting .159/.267/.327 with three homers and an 8.6% barrel rate in 131 PA. He’s up to .286/.323/.607 with a pair of homers and an 18.2% barrel rate in 31 PA this year. He isn’t going to supplant first baseman and resident thumper Josh Naylor, who’s hitting .275/.360/.533 (151 wRC+) with a team-high eight homers. Instead he’ll mainly DH and spot at first when Naylor DHs. With Florial getting a plurality of the plate appearances amid a rotating cast that includes José Ramírez, the Guardians have gotten a 118 wRC+ from their DHs, which has helped them to rank second in the league in scoring with 4.94 runs per game.

There’s no getting around the fact that losing Kwan hurts. First and foremost, the Guardians don’t have anybody else who’s particularly well-suited to setting the table; after Naylor, their next-highest OBP is Andrés Giménez‘s .336. What’s more, in the midst of his breakout, Kwan was on pace to break Shoeless Joe Jackson’s franchise record for hits (233 in 1911). At least his absence provides the Guardians with a chance to see what they have in Manzardo, a prospect who’s earned his shot.
 
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The Twins, it should be noted, have so far been the biggest beneficiaries of the White Sox’s ineptitude; Minnesota is 7-0 against Chicago this season but 5-7 against the rest of the division.
 
The Athletic has a column titled, "Why top hitting prospects are having a harder transition to the majors than in the past". Here are some excerpts:

While J.D. Martinez was building up in the minors, a Triple-A coach with the New York Mets asked him how he was feeling at the plate.

“OK,” Martinez replied. “But I haven’t seen any velocity.”

To Martinez, a 14-year-veteran who signed with the Mets in late March and missed nearly all of spring training, the lack of quality arms at Triple A was instructive, even alarming....

“It’s hard to replicate the stuff up here. That’s why you see so many of these kids get called up and struggle,” Martinez said. “This is where the dawgs come. This is the big boy league.”

The Baltimore Orioles’ Jackson Holliday, the No. 1 overall draft pick in 2022, returned to Triple A after starting his major-league career 2-for-34. The Pittsburgh Pirates’ Henry Davis, the No. 1 pick in 2021, also is back at Triple A after batting .162 with a .486 OPS....

Through Monday, the average Stuff+ of every pitch in the majors was 100. At Triple A, it was 86, down from 95 last season...Only 29 major-league starters had thrown 50 innings with a Stuff+ score of 86 or worse.

The Guardians’ Antonetti sees only one potential difference from the past: The reduction this season in the number of minor-league players an organization can put under contract from 180 to 165. Double-A and Triple-A teams went from 36 players on their roster to 33, with 28 active....

“Some of the players (who) have gotten squeezed out are the Triple-A veteran or the guy that has two or three years of major-league service but hasn’t really established himself,” Antonetti said. “Maybe some of those spots that had been filled by those veterans who had major-league experience are now filled by prospects.”....

Teams use internal projections to forecast how their prospects might perform in the majors. Those projections do not always prove accurate — the Orioles, for example, surely did not anticipate Holliday going 2-for-34. But besides determining where a player stands in his development, teams must also evaluate how he might fit on their roster. “Those two things have to align for guys to get to the major-league level,” Antonetti said....

“It feels like the gap between Triple A and the big leagues is as great as it’s ever been and it’s that much harder to assess a hitter’s readiness as a result,” Rays president of baseball operations Erik Neander said.


So let's give Manzardo a little slack. Maybe Florial, too. And Rocchio and Arias. And Bo and Tyler Freeman. None of them has a full season of major league at-bats. Arias has the most at 435.
 
The Athletic has a column titled, "Why top hitting prospects are having a harder transition to the majors than in the past". Here are some excerpts:

While J.D. Martinez was building up in the minors, a Triple-A coach with the New York Mets asked him how he was feeling at the plate.

“OK,” Martinez replied. “But I haven’t seen any velocity.”

To Martinez, a 14-year-veteran who signed with the Mets in late March and missed nearly all of spring training, the lack of quality arms at Triple A was instructive, even alarming....

“It’s hard to replicate the stuff up here. That’s why you see so many of these kids get called up and struggle,” Martinez said. “This is where the dawgs come. This is the big boy league.”

The Baltimore Orioles’ Jackson Holliday, the No. 1 overall draft pick in 2022, returned to Triple A after starting his major-league career 2-for-34. The Pittsburgh Pirates’ Henry Davis, the No. 1 pick in 2021, also is back at Triple A after batting .162 with a .486 OPS....

Through Monday, the average Stuff+ of every pitch in the majors was 100. At Triple A, it was 86, down from 95 last season...Only 29 major-league starters had thrown 50 innings with a Stuff+ score of 86 or worse.

The Guardians’ Antonetti sees only one potential difference from the past: The reduction this season in the number of minor-league players an organization can put under contract from 180 to 165. Double-A and Triple-A teams went from 36 players on their roster to 33, with 28 active....

“Some of the players (who) have gotten squeezed out are the Triple-A veteran or the guy that has two or three years of major-league service but hasn’t really established himself,” Antonetti said. “Maybe some of those spots that had been filled by those veterans who had major-league experience are now filled by prospects.”....

Teams use internal projections to forecast how their prospects might perform in the majors. Those projections do not always prove accurate — the Orioles, for example, surely did not anticipate Holliday going 2-for-34. But besides determining where a player stands in his development, teams must also evaluate how he might fit on their roster. “Those two things have to align for guys to get to the major-league level,” Antonetti said....

“It feels like the gap between Triple A and the big leagues is as great as it’s ever been and it’s that much harder to assess a hitter’s readiness as a result,” Rays president of baseball operations Erik Neander said.


So let's give Manzardo a little slack. Maybe Florial, too. And Rocchio and Arias. And Bo and Tyler Freeman. None of them has a full season of major league at-bats. Arias has the most at 435.

Honestly, this will be Florial's first legit chance to be an everyday guy... IF his numbers are still bad by the time Kwan comes back I think he will be DFA'D
 
A few random David Fry splits:

High leverage: .303 BA, 1.500 OPS, 303 wRC+
Men on base: .333 BA, 1.027 OPS, 181 wRC+
vs LHP: .417 BA, 1.261 OPS, 246 wRC+
9th inning: .750 BA, 2.100 OPS, 418 wRC+
Extra innings: .667 BA, 2.000 OPS, 468 wRC+

He's better than Bonds against LHP's.
He should be in the lineup against every single left hander, even if an arm falls off.

But I think he has been in against lefties correct?
 
The Athletic has a column titled, "Why top hitting prospects are having a harder transition to the majors than in the past". Here are some excerpts:

While J.D. Martinez was building up in the minors, a Triple-A coach with the New York Mets asked him how he was feeling at the plate.

“OK,” Martinez replied. “But I haven’t seen any velocity.”

To Martinez, a 14-year-veteran who signed with the Mets in late March and missed nearly all of spring training, the lack of quality arms at Triple A was instructive, even alarming....

“It’s hard to replicate the stuff up here. That’s why you see so many of these kids get called up and struggle,” Martinez said. “This is where the dawgs come. This is the big boy league.”

The Baltimore Orioles’ Jackson Holliday, the No. 1 overall draft pick in 2022, returned to Triple A after starting his major-league career 2-for-34. The Pittsburgh Pirates’ Henry Davis, the No. 1 pick in 2021, also is back at Triple A after batting .162 with a .486 OPS....

Through Monday, the average Stuff+ of every pitch in the majors was 100. At Triple A, it was 86, down from 95 last season...Only 29 major-league starters had thrown 50 innings with a Stuff+ score of 86 or worse.

The Guardians’ Antonetti sees only one potential difference from the past: The reduction this season in the number of minor-league players an organization can put under contract from 180 to 165. Double-A and Triple-A teams went from 36 players on their roster to 33, with 28 active....

“Some of the players (who) have gotten squeezed out are the Triple-A veteran or the guy that has two or three years of major-league service but hasn’t really established himself,” Antonetti said. “Maybe some of those spots that had been filled by those veterans who had major-league experience are now filled by prospects.”....

Teams use internal projections to forecast how their prospects might perform in the majors. Those projections do not always prove accurate — the Orioles, for example, surely did not anticipate Holliday going 2-for-34. But besides determining where a player stands in his development, teams must also evaluate how he might fit on their roster. “Those two things have to align for guys to get to the major-league level,” Antonetti said....

“It feels like the gap between Triple A and the big leagues is as great as it’s ever been and it’s that much harder to assess a hitter’s readiness as a result,” Rays president of baseball operations Erik Neander said.


So let's give Manzardo a little slack. Maybe Florial, too. And Rocchio and Arias. And Bo and Tyler Freeman. None of them has a full season of major league at-bats. Arias has the most at 435.
Waiting is hard, but we are a young ball club and we will have to wait. When Chase comes up, when our first pick comes up, it will be in 2026 and 2027 we will fully see the fruits of our labors.

But if anyone takes off like Kwan from day 1, then you know you have something special. Look at what Kwan was doing in his 3rd year. Even Jose took 3 years to get going, so patience is difficult, but key.
 
Waiting is hard, but we are a young ball club and we will have to wait. When Chase comes up, when our first pick comes up, it will be in 2026 and 2027 we will fully see the fruits of our labors.

But if anyone takes off like Kwan from day 1, then you know you have something special. Look at what Kwan was doing in his 3rd year. Even Jose took 3 years to get going, so patience is difficult, but key.
This is extremely important to remember when considering someone like Tyler Freeman. Josh Naylor took a minute to arrive too even though he still produced somewhat while getting there. If he can reach his potential he could end up a very good player. Fingers crossed.
 
This is extremely important to remember when considering someone like Tyler Freeman. Josh Naylor took a minute to arrive too even though he still produced somewhat while getting there. If he can reach his potential he could end up a very good player. Fingers crossed.
Tyler needs to do better....now
 
Tyler needs to do better....now
Why's that? Who is gunning for his spot in centerfield exactly? Sure it would be nice if he could flip the switch like that, but he has definitely shown excellent skills minors and some metrics to like. He just needs some time IMO, he has one of the better toolbags of the "new" players.
 
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