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Baker Mayfield: Fire The Cannons

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I think Baker looks very good at times and very bad at times. I don't think he has been helped at all by this year's coaching staff. He has certainly regressed since last year.

I think he looks like a second year guy that is still adjusting to the NFL game but that doesn't mean I am ready to give up on him. I know that we expect the worst but I don't feel that way with Baker yet.

With a competent coaching staff, he could flourish. He has made all the throws to prove that to me.
 
Ah yes, the QB for whom Mayfield’s excuses don’t apply, despite being dramatically more prevalent.
Wut.

46%, 39% and 33% last 3 games for a smooth 52% 1td to 5 ints for the year after 54% his rookie year.. damn Mayfield excuses.

That's way beyond excuses.

He did have a few higher completion games in there. Like 60% against Washington for 0tds and 2ints and 85 yards.
 
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I guess since I don't have a dog in this fight- I was neither onec of those who hitched my wagon to the Baker train early or ignored him hoping he would go away because they hate players that remind one of themselves- but it seems like there were and are multiple factors in Baker's struggles that will not all go away easily.

1. Having OBJ has been a hindrance. I think having this veteran receiver crew has been an issue, because he has felt pressed to feed OBJ instead who he finds open. Maybe its just me, but he was succesful last year because he was egalitarian: it didnt matter who the WRs were, if you were open he would hit you in the hands. The only WR he had to 'force feed' at all was Landry, and that wasn't an issue because Landry runs enough safety valve routes that he would get his regardless. Also, OBJs complete dismissal of OTAs to get into a rhythm woth the offense has shown.

2. The very brashness that fuels him has bit him in the ass. He just wasn't as prepared coming into the year as he thought; whether that was because he didn't put in the work, or is still learning the work required, or what, it's still clear.

3. His maturity level just isn't there yet. Fans love it when he talks like one of us- but he isn't 'one of us'. Hes not a fan, he's the leader. He doesn't just speak for himself. This is what ultimately separates the John Elways from the Jeff Georges. We enjoyed him skewering Hue last year- even though it should have worried us how he turned on his former coach like that. Hue was a bad HC, but did he really do anything to Baker to really warrant what was public humiliation? I don't think so personally. His public bashing of Poop Dick- which should and would never happen with a veteran leader. And his public handling of criticism has been very wanting; he needs to find how you stand up for himself without going on the attack, because all that's doing is feeding a pointless fire- like the current one. For a guy who doesn't like Hue, his interactions with the media are sure getting like them. One question mark of him was good he would handle struggles and criticism... We are seeing that now. He hss to improve here.

3. Defenses have clearly adjusted to him and he hasn't adjusted back. DCs seem to have figured out his blind spots and are exploiting them. Blame here also falls on the coaches, too.

4. The play calling has gotten away from what worked- both due to personnel and expectations. The coaching staff has botched this 'next step'- some of it they can control (scheme, timing, etc) and some they can't (shit tackles, TEs that can't block to help our shit tackles, etc). But its the coach's job to fit his scheme to work with what they got until they can get what they need, and the team hasn't done that.


It's obvious that Baker had regressed and hasn't made the right adjustments as a player and leader. That silver lining is that i think he in the past turned criticism into hard work and I can only hope that holds true. He can weather the storm of a shitty local media and shitty aspects of the local fan base as long as the staff and teammates have his back and maintain good communication with him. His potential is still there, but i think an adjustment of expectations and a 'wiping of the slate' in that regards needs to happen with this team and staff going forward. It can be fixed; he's may not be the ubermensch some see or the pending implosion some lust for, but imo he can be a successful QB and leader even with this current leadership. Pitter patter let's get at'er.

Well said and written.

Yeah, Baker's assertiveness is a double-edged sword.

Looks great when things are going well, not a good look when things are in the pot.
 
Ah yes, the QB for whom Mayfield’s excuses don’t apply, despite being dramatically more prevalent.

I tend to agree.

Rosen is getting shat on a lot for being an utter failure, but frankly, he has been in the worst possible position two consecutive years.

I'd like to see how he plays when he isn't playing for the worst team in the league.
 
Wut.

46%, 39% and 33% last 3 games for a smooth 52% 1td to 5 ints for the year after 54% his rookie year.. damn Mayfield excuses.

That's way beyond excuses.

He did have a few higher completion games in there. Like 60% against Washington for 0tds and 2ints and 85 yards.
The guy has been on two of the shittiest teams. I wouldn’t say they know what they’re doing.
 
The Bar being set for this kid is completely ludicrous and something needs to be said. The expectations coming from this board are simply not going to be met, which is MVP level play. Everyone wants him to perform to Russell Wilson’s level or Deshaun Watson. That simply isn’t going to happen under this head coach.

His improvement over the last 3 games has been very good at 238 YPG and a 4-1 TD INT ratio.

For comparisons sake Tom Brady, the greatest QB of all time is averaging 286 YPG and has a 2.8-1 TD-INT ratio this season.

Carson Wentz is averaging 228 YPG and has a 3.75-1 TD-INT ratio.

Watson himself, an MVP candidate is averaging 270 YPG and a 3.6-1 TD-INT ratio.

So anyone saying his improvement is meh or isn’t happy with the direction he is trending is just simply setting expectations way the fuck out of reach of essentially any QB outside of Russell Wilson or Lamar Jackson right now.

It needs to be reeled in, this is a team game and the brunt is getting unleashed on a guy who is playing exceptionally well considering the set of circumstances right now.

Well, Wentz is only 2 seasons ahead of and Watson is just 1 ; in fact, Watson is younger than Baker, although both he and Wentz have significantly worse injury mileage than #6.

And again, people are expecting the bar to be as high as it is, even if it is unrealistic, because of Wilson's, Brady's and Pig Pen's 2nd year Super Bowl-level successes, extenuating circumstances for them be damned - and yes, technically Wentz can get some credit for the SB run in his own 2nd year in that he put his team in position to get home field across the NFC.
 
Wut.

46%, 39% and 33% last 3 games for a smooth 52% 1td to 5 ints for the year after 54% his rookie year.. damn Mayfield excuses.

That's way beyond excuses.

He did have a few higher completion games in there. Like 60% against Washington for 0tds and 2ints and 85 yards.

Damn, really thought he'd turn it around in that great situation in Miami.

Thanks for setting me straight, now please stay on topic.

This is a thread about Baker Mayfield and the excuses for his unquestionably below average season, not ignoring those same excuses for Josh Rosen.
 
You're right. But the gap between Cards and Miami and Hue/Freddie is that significant?

15/25 60% for 85 yards 0tds and 2 ints against Washington gets a pass??

7/18 39% for 97 yards 0td 1int gets a pass? (New england though)


18/39 only 46% against Dallas gets a pass?

You say he doesnt get the excuses like Bake.. which is true, but also, he really might just not be good.

Who's getting excuses?
 
Yep.



One of them.

Anything else?

Oh ya! Forgot our elite line play over theirs and last year with our elite Wr group of Jarvis, Higgins and Callaway.
 
It could be a thread about the Browns ranking 4th in PBE last year, vs. Arizona's miserable 32nd.

But what would the point be, really?

Nothing to gain there.

Fitzpatrick is making him look bad on the same team...
 
I honestly just think Josh Rosen is a bonafide scrub. Thought so when he was coming out of college - he was the one QB pick I would have been completely disgusted with.

Ryan Fitzpatrick is going to be 37 in a few weeks and he's got the same team problems that Rosen has, since they're literally on the exact same team.

Fitz: 8 TD, 8 INT, 61.5 CMP%, 170.5 YD/G, 77.5 rate
Rosen: 1 TD, 5 INT, 53.5 CMP%, 94.5 TD/G, 52 rate

Fitz and Rosen have taken a combined 33 sacks this year already.

Josh Rosen has career backup written all over him.
 

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