Baker Mayfield: Fire The Cannons

[Vee-Rex]

Just saw that the Steelers got pressure on over 50% of Baker's dropbacks and had a total of 13 hits lol. Looks like on some of the outside zone runs, it leaves the weak-side edge completely open and if Baker tries the roll out, he has a defender in his face every time. Seems like the most effective way to run against teams committed to containing the outside is right up the gut, but our OL was getting abused.

Also, Kareem is awesome but he is no Chubb. This game should be a slap in the face to the people thinking you can just plug any RB in and replace someone like Chubb.

 

[Hurl Bruce]

Just saw that the Steelers got pressure on over 50% of Baker's dropbacks and had a total of 13 hits lol. Looks like on some of the outside zone runs, it leaves the weak-side edge completely open and if Baker tries the roll out, he has a defender in his face every time. Seems like the most effective way to run against teams committed to containing the outside is right up the gut, but our OL was getting abused.

Also, Kareem is awesome but he is no Chubb. This game should be a slap in the face to the people thinking you can just plug any RB in and replace someone like Chubb.

I'm not re-reading everything, but the Steelers just whooped our OL. Baker was on his heels all game.

He's a middle of the league QB. Of course I'd like better, but he's not as bad as some are making him out to be.

 

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John Dorsey looking iffy under the light.

 

[Vee-Rex]

I'm not re-reading everything, but the Steelers just whooped our OL. Baker was on his heels all game.

He's a middle of the league QB. Of course I'd like better, but he's not as bad as some are making him out to be.

It takes a lot to do well against a defense like that. We fell apart at every level. I don't expect Baker to throw for 350 yards and 3 touchdowns against them especially not at this point in his career. Aaron Rodgers basically just threw 2 pick-6s (2nd was down at the 2) to go 16/35 160 yards and 2 INTs and 5 sacks. Completely awful and blown out similar to how the Browns were against a Bucs defense that's nowhere as good as the Steelers.

Those games are gonna happen and we're kidding ourselves if we expect to have a QB that's gonna dominate against those as well. What obviously separates Rodgers is that he has dominated on many other occasions. What I WANT to see is Baker carving up some of the weaker defenses. How will he respond in Cincinnati next week? Las Vegas after that? Those are some opportunities for him to perform well. How well he perform against Baltimore the 2nd time around and then Pittsburgh?

I really really hate to say it, but one thing I notice from Wilson is that he takes his damn sacks. He is fearless in the pocket and if they get him they get him, but he trusts his line and doesn't get terrified. You don't wanna encourage a QB to hold the ball but you also don't want him to panic after 2 seconds. It's maddening but some QBs have it and others don't - this year should give us a clearer picture. I want to see how Baker looks after our bye.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

I'm not re-reading everything, but the Steelers just whooped our OL. Baker was on his heels all game.

He's a middle of the league QB. Of course I'd like better, but he's not as bad as some are making him out to be.

Nothing tells us Baker is even a middle-of-road QB at this moment.

29th in completion %
26th in yards
27th in YPA
Last in YPG
27th in INT
25th in rating
17th in QBR

The one positive at this point is tied for 13th in TDs, though I believe some of that has been buoyed by the number of turnovers we generated through the first 5 games.

This after being backed by the #1 rushing attack in the league.

Teams are going to get pressure. It’s the NFL. We can’t rely on the line being perfect every single play or every single game. The problem is Baker still has no awareness in the pocket and can’t keep his eyes downfield. That’s not the line’s fault. They didn’t play great yesterday, but if the Browns are going to be a team that challenges for this division and can advance in the playoffs, they need a guy that is able to deal with pressure from time-to-time and make throws in the face of it. Otherwise, teams like Pitt and Balt will just send pressure every single play until Baker proves he can make them pay for doing so. There’s nothing that has shown me he can do that, especially over the last 1.5 years.

 

[browniebob]

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[Lee]

I'm not re-reading everything, but the Steelers just whooped our OL. Baker was on his heels all game.

He's a middle of the league QB. Of course I'd like better, but he's not as bad as some are making him out to be.

Typically qb's improve allot after the first few years, people are looking at Mahommes and thinking that is all QB. Russ Wilson was similar to Baker now in year 3, they won with a running game and an excellent defense. Brees was not good until year 6 or 7. Look at Tannehil, since taking over in Tenn he has been almost as good stat wise as Mahommes.

I agree with you, I don't even think we are sure by the end of the year, I think its end of next year. He hasn't had a real off season with Stefanski, and who knows what this offseason looks like. I swear Cleveland fans are the most up and down.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Typically qb's improve allot after the first few years, people are looking at Mahommes and thinking that is all QB. Russ Wilson was similar to Baker now in year 3, they won with a running game and an excellent defense. Brees was not good until year 6 or 7. Look at Tannehil, since taking over in Tenn he has been almost as good stat wise as Mahommes.

I agree with you, I don't even think we are sure by the end of the year, I think its end of next year. He hasn't had a real off season with Stefanski, and who knows what this offseason looks like. I swear Cleveland fans are the most up and down.

I don’t know why everyone wants to keep pointing to Wilson, Brees, Tannehil, etc.

-Wilson was a 3rd round pick. He wasn’t expected to play right away, and he wasn’t expected to be ‘The Man.’ He was also a baseball player that really wasn’t fully focused on football until he got to the NFL.

-Brees was a 2nd round pick. He made the Pro Bowl in his 4th year in SD

-Tannehill, while the #8 pick, was largely seen as more of a developmental prospect coming from an option program and played WR until midway through his JR year. IMO, that’s why he has taken as long to develop.

Also, if we’re looking back at Tannehil, he actually put up some decent numbers in Miami when he was healthy:



Baker was:
#1 pick
Heisman Trophy winner
Maxwell Award winner
Walter Camp Award winner
Davey O’Brien Award winner
AP Player of the Year
2X Big12 Player of the Year
2X 1st Team All-American
Three-year starter at Oklahoma

That’s not a guy you expect to take 4-5 years to develop. That’s a guy that should be playing at a relatively high level after a couple years in the league with a good surrounding cast. I’m not saying he should be the best QB in the league, but he shouldn’t be regressing and he should, at the very least, be able to read very simple defenses. If he’s not, he’s likely a flop.

This is why I’m concerned with Baker. He was the most ‘Pro Ready’ guy from that class. He had all the accolades, came from a program with a great offensive coach, and had a ton of experience at the position.

How many guys drafted as high as Baker have flopped with the team that drafted him and then gone on to play well with another team? I can’t think of a single guy.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I don’t know why everyone wants to keep pointing to Wilson, Brees, Tannehil, etc.

-Wilson was a 3rd round pick. He wasn’t expected to play right away, and he wasn’t expected to be ‘The Man.’ He was also a baseball player that really wasn’t fully focused on football until he got to the NFL.

-Brees was a 2nd round pick. He made the Pro Bowl in his 4th year in SD

-Tannehill, while the #8 pick, was largely seen as more of a developmental prospect coming from an option program and played WR until midway through his JR year. IMO, that’s why he has taken as long to develop.

Also, if we’re looking back at Tannehil, he actually put up some decent numbers in Miami when he was healthy:

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Baker was:
#1 pick
Heisman Trophy winner
Maxwell Award winner
Walter Camp Award winner
Davey O’Brien Award winner
AP Player of the Year
2X Big12 Player of the Year
2X 1st Team All-American
Three-year starter at Oklahoma

That’s not a guy you expect to take 4-5 years to develop. That’s a guy that should be playing at a relatively high level after a couple years in the league with a good surrounding cast. I’m not saying he should be the best QB in the league, but he shouldn’t be regressing and he should, at the very least, be able to read very simple defenses. If he’s not, he’s likely a flop.

This is why I’m concerned with Baker. He was the most ‘Pro Ready’ guy from that class. He had all the accolades, came from a program with a great offensive coach, and had a ton of experience at the position.

How many guys drafted as high as Baker have flopped with the team that drafted him and then gone on to play well with another team? I can’t think of a single guy.

Alex Smith, but he’s pretty much the poster child for game manager so he’s not really the best example, but an example nonetheless

maybe Jay Cutler I guess idk

 

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Renner: It's time to panic about Cleveland Browns QB Baker Mayfield

For the last year and a half, I’ve repeated one question almost instinctively when asked about Cleveland Browns quarterback Baker Mayfield: “Who at the quarterback position peaked in their first year?”

Renner: It's time to panic about Cleveland Browns QB Baker Mayfield | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF

While the Browns' four-game winning streak masked Mayfield’s 66.3 passing grade, it’s impossible to mask where Mayfield has struggled when the Browns have to play catchup. If that doesn’t change soon, the Browns can’t be considered serious contenders.

www.pff.com

 

[Vee-Rex]

I don’t know why everyone wants to keep pointing to Wilson, Brees, Tannehil, etc.

-Wilson was a 3rd round pick. He wasn’t expected to play right away, and he wasn’t expected to be ‘The Man.’ He was also a baseball player that really wasn’t fully focused on football until he got to the NFL.

-Brees was a 2nd round pick. He made the Pro Bowl in his 4th year in SD

-Tannehill, while the #8 pick, was largely seen as more of a developmental prospect coming from an option program and played WR until midway through his JR year. IMO, that’s why he has taken as long to develop.

Also, if we’re looking back at Tannehil, he actually put up some decent numbers in Miami when he was healthy:

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Baker was:
#1 pick
Heisman Trophy winner
Maxwell Award winner
Walter Camp Award winner
Davey O’Brien Award winner
AP Player of the Year
2X Big12 Player of the Year
2X 1st Team All-American
Three-year starter at Oklahoma

That’s not a guy you expect to take 4-5 years to develop. That’s a guy that should be playing at a relatively high level after a couple years in the league with a good surrounding cast. I’m not saying he should be the best QB in the league, but he shouldn’t be regressing and he should, at the very least, be able to read very simple defenses. If he’s not, he’s likely a flop.

This is why I’m concerned with Baker. He was the most ‘Pro Ready’ guy from that class. He had all the accolades, came from a program with a great offensive coach, and had a ton of experience at the position.

How many guys drafted as high as Baker have flopped with the team that drafted him and then gone on to play well with another team? I can’t think of a single guy.

At this point draft position and college accolades are completely irrelevant. Doesn't matter if Baker was the consensus very best #1 overall in NFL history or got the call from an NFL team while bagging groceries at Giant Eagle - he is where he is right now and it's on our coaches and front office to determine if he can grow and become the kind of QB we need. Often times the draft is just guesswork on the starting point for some of the QBs.

Look at Herbert this year - he looks better than Burrow with an o-line that's almost equally deficient and same kind of weapons. Small sample size but my point is that in the future, the Bengals aren't going to look at where Burrow was drafted and compare with their original expectations to help them determine if they should stick with him or not - they're going to measure him based on where he's at and determine if they want to move forward.

 

[Los216]

John Dorsey looking iffy under the light.

Damn this video is brutal.

 

[Huber.]

Damn this video is brutal.

Some people listen to these talking heads all day every day.

 

[CBBI]

On the bright side for Baker and the offense as a whole, it's fair to say that Baltimore and Pittsburgh are two of the best, if not the two best defenses they're going to face this season.

They're 1 and 2 in fewest points allowed and 1 and 3 in sacks in the NFL.

The next two opponents coming in before the bye week - Cincinnati and Las Vegas - are both poor against the run and don't generate a lot of pressure up front. That is a recipe for disaster against this Browns offense.

There's certainly no guarantee the Browns will win either game, but both games are infinitely winnable.