Baker Mayfield: Fire The Cannons

[Sebastian]

There’s another team where he would fit really well…

With people throwing the low ball offers out there for Russ, would your opinion change if Pittsburgh was a serious contender for him? Because Russ on the Yinzers is probably good game on the division for a while

DON'T EVEN JOKE ABOUT IT!

 

[bob2the2nd]

Not sure $18Mil is "super cheap". How about middle of the road?

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Another way to put this is that 18 million dollars if that was his extension it would be by far and away that cheapest starting quarterback not on a rookie deal in the NFL

 

[Douglar]

Another way to put this is that 18 million dollars if that was his extension it would be by far and away that cheapest starting quarterback not on a rookie deal in the NFL

Except for Tom Brady & Ben Roethlisberger

 

[bob2the2nd]

Except for Tom Brady & Ben Roethlisberger

They make 25/year each.....

 

[DJTJ]

They make 25/year each.....

except in 2022 they do not.

 

[bob2the2nd]

except in 2022 they do not.

You're correct big Ben will be retired by next year (still making 10 million) and Tom Brady has a weird contract right now. Basically designed to be redone at the end of every year if he wants to keep playing

 

[buzzdog]

I actually think Baker's lack of height and his inability to see over the line when he's confined to the pocket is and always will be an issue. He needs throwing lanes in the pocket. It stands to reason that some of his throws will tend to sail high when he has to throw from his lower release point over outstretched arms of 6'6" guys.

Add that to his admitted recent accuracy problems and you get a lot of bad throws. Adding more problems to the stack I think his physical problems are hurting his ability to throw well on the run which was one of his strongest traits.

Put this together and it starts to fuck with confidence and decisiveness.

And that pretty much summarizes the Baker Mayfield dilemma this season.

 

[Vee-Rex]

Kevin Stefanski's offense, the Browns' third-down defense and Guardians roster protections

Does Stefanski build his offense around limited quarterbacks or does the coach's system limit his QBs? Is Baker Mayfield a system guy?

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Defenses, of course, have done a terrific job of keeping Mayfield in the pocket this season and eliminating the bootlegs. I wrote a few weeks ago how Mayfield led the league in passing yards when rolling to his left last season. That’s gone now. I spoke to one assistant coach this week who already played the Browns this season. He told me their game plan defensively was, “Keep Baker in the pocket because he can’t see from there.” It’s exactly what we thought all along just confirmed.​

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The injuries add another layer to all of this. Offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt said this week the Browns can’t move Mayfield around as much now because he’s so banged up. Part of it might be his own doing. That same assistant coach told me they knew they could get to Mayfield because he holds the ball longer than most quarterbacks. ​

Eliminating boots requires a guy at the line of scrimmage on both edges, best done from a 3-4 look. We haven't really done well to counter that.

I don't know if we just aren't attacking it the way we should, but more power runs down the throat will usually open up some nice gaps. Usually won't have any huge runs, but 5-6 yard chunks will eventually wear them down, cause them to adjust, which should open up more opportunities for the boot. Perhaps getting Kareem back will help us with this.

Teams tried eliminating our bootlegs last year but we counter-punched them pretty well. This year not so much.

 

[Douglar]

Gettting Conklin Back could help too ...

Perhaps getting Kareem back will help us with this.

 

[CBBI]

Gettting Conklin Back could help too ...

I think there's something to this for sure. A lot of the PA boots and moving pockets to the right aren't really happening because they don't trust Hance to hold up.

Hance has been really poor in pass protection (far right column), so getting Conklin back should be a big benefit to everyone.

 

[Triplethreat]

 

[Vee-Rex]

Chances of getting Rodgers/Wilson/Watson and even Carr are low. Unless there's a diamond in the draft our front office loves, that route likely results in one of the aforementioned QBs we've had over the past 20 years.

Most likely, we play Baker on his 5th year option and hope a healthy Baker is more 2020 Baker than 2021 Baker. I personally believe fully healthy he's more 2020 than 2021, but I think some disagree.

2020 Baker is enough for us to win the big one, IMO.

 

[Douglar]

Baker ranks 27th out of 38 qualifying quaterbacks on PFF with a score of 68.1.

Jimmy Garoppolo (23rd - 71.6)
Daniel Jones (24th - 71.4)
Carson Wentz (25th - 69.5)
Trevor Siemian (26th - 68.6)
Baker Mayfield (27th - 68.1)
Justin Fields (28th - 64.2)
Taylor Heinicke (29th - 64.1)
Sam Darnold (30th - 62.6 )
..
Rothlesburger (36th - 58.1)

 

[Lee]

You really have only one realistic option. Hope that Baker's play is because of injury and have him play on his team option. If he takes 35 mil a year or less you sign him to an extension, if not you Dak Prescott him and make him play on a franchise tag or two until you are convinced he is worth 40+ a year or you find a better option.

But there are no QB's in this draft, Rodgers isnt coming here, and I am guessing Wilson wont either. We have invested heavily in the line, hope they are healthier next year and Baker can be the Baker we saw 2nd half last year when he was healthy.

All other options absolutely suck. Oh and our management or training staff probably messed up. Probably should of sat Baker from Denver game through the bye week, but cant go back at this point.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Teams tried eliminating our bootlegs last year but we counter-punched them pretty well. This year not so much.

2020 - Team Rushing

Rush DVOA: #7 - 0.8%
Yards per game: #3 - 148.4
Yards per rush: #5 - 4.8
Attempts per game: #4 - 30.9

2021 - Team Rushing

Rush DVOA: #1 + 8.7%
Yards per game: #1 - 156.8
Yards per rush: #T-1 - 5.2
Attempts per game: #5 - 29.9

These are kind of crazy team numbers with how awful our passing game has been and how these totals aren't just a big upswing in rushing volume.

2020 - Team Passing

Pass DVOA: #10 + 20.7%
Yards per game: #24 - 221.2
Yards per att: #14 - 7.1
Attempts per game: #28 - 31.3
Sacks - #25 - 26
Rating: #12 - 96
QBR: #10 - 65.5

2021 - Team Passing

Pass DVOA: #18 + 12.9%
Yards per game: #25 - 205.6
Yards per att: #T-10 - 7.6
Attempts per game: #29 - 29.4
Sacks - #4 - 31
Rating: #19 - 90.5
QBR: #27 - 37.2

I can't totally wrap my head around people thinking this is a scheme or coaching problem looking at these numbers.

We are somehow cranking out utterly obscene rushing numbers and grades, while seeing a very substantial passing reduction.

Would't that speak to how good the scheme is? That you can get this kind of rush production, in-spite of some below league average play, across the board, passing?

I don't know that our counter punching is worse.......schematically......I think we just aren't capitalizing on those opportunities like we were last year.