Baker Mayfield: Fire The Cannons

[buzzdog]

I really don't understand people who think we're stuck with Baker and we should just accept the 2020 version of him like that's not his peak

I don't understand people like you who completely ignore the injuries Mayfield played through this year, as though they had zero effect.

 

[WellYouNeednt]

Most starting QB's who switch teams usually go to a new team that they have some connection with weather it's coaching staff or front office personnel. Wentz went to IND and they had Frank Reich there who coached him in Philly.

Nathaniel Hackett who is Aaron Rodgers current OC is a finalist for the job in DEN.

Deshaun Watson has been linked to Brian Flores even after Flores was fired in MIA.

What we do know about Baker is that outside of CLE, NE was the only other team that considered moving up to draft him. I believe that they are even on record stating their admiration for him during that pre draft period. Now Nick Caserio is running the show in HOU and Josh McDaniels is being entertained by other teams and Baker could and should be available this offseason so it's not crazy to see that there may be a real connection there.

You are using two very successful QBs as a reference: Rodgers and Watson. Is it plausible there is a connection — absolutely.

Baker Mayfield has been nothing short of being wildly inconsistent. On paper could there be a connection — sure. Again, those commenst were BEFORE the draft 2018. Would you say it is not plausible their opinion has changed?

Nobody really knows for sure, but i think the connection is weak, at best.

 

[Los216]

I don't understand people like you who completely ignore the injuries Mayfield played through this year, as though they had zero effect.

I'm not ignoring the injuries but you are ignoring all of the thing that had nothing to do with injuries like decision making and leadership. Injuries don't make you a one read QB. Injuries aren't an excuse for poor leadership either.

 

[Los216]

Nobody really knows for sure, but i think the connection is weak, at best.

The NFL is an old boys club. Nothing about those connections are weak. Nothing. Hell, ask yourself why Case Keenum is our backup QB right now?

 

[WellYouNeednt]

The NFL is an old boys club. Nothing about those connections are weak. Nothing. Hell, ask yourself why Case Keenum is our backup QB right now?

Not debating the ‘old boys club’ aspect and agree.

The point i am making is Baker 2018 vs. Baker 2022 are two wildly different demons. All his flaws are on tape to see and i cannot wrap my head around someone wanting him because they “loved” him pre-draft 2018. Now, if some loved X player pre-draft, player performed well for several years and then there was an opportunity to connect would make sense (to me).

Keenum was brought on to mentor Baker. Successful QB on the field — no. Someone who understands the system who can help mentor and coach — yes.

There are a lot of ineffective back-up QBs around the league based on that skill-set.

 

[Los216]

Not debating the ‘old boys club’ aspect and agree.

The point i am making is Baker 2018 vs. Baker 2022 are two wildly different demons. All his flaws are on tape to see and i cannot wrap my head around someone wanting him because they “loved” him pre-draft 2018. Now, if some loved X player pre-draft, player performed well for several years and then there was an opportunity to connect would make sense (to me).

Keenum was brought on to mentor Baker. Successful QB on the field — no. Someone who understands the system who can help mentor and coach — yes.

There are a lot of ineffective back-up QBs around the league based on that skill-set.

The point is that a new coach or GM coming into a new situation where they will have to find a new QB is more likely to go with a QB who they have some sort of connection with. The NFL doesn't do a lot of arranged QB marriages. If they do it's under unusual circumstances.

 

[PIP]

I don't understand people like you who completely ignore the injuries Mayfield played through this year, as though they had zero effect.

I’m not ignoring his injury. The biggest injury he has had is to his mind…Cause he’s pretty much your standard, stupid, one read QB that can’t process what he’s sees down the field or read that defense in front of him..

His shoulder healing up is gonna give him more flexibility and freedom to make throws and that’s gonna be great…

I’m just afraid his mind isn’t healed yet. Cause he’s still one of the dumbest QB’s in the entire NFL and there’s no healing of that in sight…

 

[buzzdog]

I’m not ignoring his injury. The biggest injury he has had is to his mind…Cause he’s pretty much your standard, stupid, one read QB that can’t process what he’s sees down the field or read that defense in front of him..

His shoulder healing up is gonna give him more flexibility and freedom to make throws and that’s gonna be great…

I’m just afraid his mind isn’t healed yet. Cause he’s still one of the dumbest QB’s in the entire NFL and there’s no healing of that in sight…

I can agree he needs to completely re-evaluate everything about the mental aspects of his game. My biggest fear would be that because of his ego he will refuse to recognize the absolute need to get better at either this or his basic flawed mechanics. So I guess we're on the same page with this to some degree. I do think his injuries amplified and exacerbated his already apparent flaws. The best (and maybe only) hope for him is that this season so completely shredded his ego to the point where he'll accept and even embrace a complete, ground-up make-over of all aspects of his quarterbacking, and especially the neck-up part.

 

[PIP]

I can agree he needs to completely re-evaluate everything about the mental aspects of his game. My biggest fear would be that because of his ego he will refuse to recognize the absolute need to get better at either this or his basic flawed mechanics. So I guess we're on the same page with this to some degree. I do think his injuries amplified and exacerbated his already apparent flaws. The best (and maybe only) hope for him is that this season so completely shredded his ego to the point where he'll accept and even embrace a complete, ground-up make-over of all aspects of his quarterbacking, and especially the neck-up part.

I agree.

I don’t legitimately not like Baker Mayfield— I truly don’t believe in him and his abilities… And folks think because they seen him do it once over a period of time in 2020 that it’s going to happen again…That’s just not how this goes…

If his mental game was at a high level (Brees) it can without question cover up the physical limitations and you can win with that guy….

I’m personally of the belief that Baker Mayfield is just not that intelligent at the position…

It’s somewhere in between with Mayfield…. Just talented enough to mask his mental deficiency but yet not talented or physically gifted enough to overcome that deficiency—(like Brees was/Wilson has been) to get to where this team needs it to go…… UNLESS the scheme and all the talent around him is just too much for another team to handle…. And ultimately when/if you pay Baker — you’re never gonna have all that talent unless they’re on rookie deals…

Not the guy… You can’t be mentally short and physically short with no speed….period!

 

[adam81king]

I don’t think much of Baker, but I think a hell of alot more of him than this.

Trubisky cannot play at this level.

I know the running jokes of Trubisky being *very* bad at professional football but, I ask this genuinely because I never watched him, didn't he actually perform his first couple seasons and in the playoffs? Just looking at his numbers (on football reference; that's as far as I want to dig), he looks like he's done as well as Baker.

What does the eye test see that the box score doesn't?

 

[adam81king]

So the Patriots “absolutely loved Baker” pre-draft 2018.

I am sure their opinion has not changed after 4 inconsistent years and current ongoing rehab for a torn labrum. This is a phenomenal take — just like Baker to New Orleans — becuase…NO loVEs ShoRt QBs liKe BReEs!

Never understood the hot take of, team was in love with X player of X draft — so they MUST be interested.

Yes, this makes sense. But what is important is — what does Rex Ryan think?

I think you're grossly underestimating the ego (aka hubris) of folks that are associated with NFL teams to do better than their peers...and even moreso the ego of Josh McDaniels.

 

[PIP]

I know the running jokes of Trubisky being *very* bad at professional football but, I ask this genuinely because I never watched him, didn't he actually perform his first couple seasons and in the playoffs? Just looking at his numbers (on football reference; that's as far as I want to dig), he looks like he's done as well as Baker.

What does the eye test see that the box score doesn't?

Also, since this is “a thing” can anyone blame Trubisky in Nagy’s system ?

What if he had this line, running game, and that deluxe offensive system that Stefanski flawlessly runs ?

 

[Los216]

Also, since this is “a thing” can anyone blame Trubisky in Nagy’s system ?

What if he had this line, running game, and that deluxe offensive system that Stefanski flawlessly runs ?

And the tutelage of Josh Allen lololololololol

 

[Kevalier]

If we're looking to connect dots with Baker and other teams, keep in mind that Ken Zampese was Baker's QB coach here in 2018 and has been the QB coach in Washington since 2020.

 

[CBBI]

Here's my thing with Baker and the Browns moving forward...

Let's say Baker comes out is healthy and ultimately plays like he did in 2020.

Let's say the Browns go somewhere between 9-8 and 11-6 and make the playoffs or barely miss.

Let's say they roughly match what they did in 2020 - and either lose the first game or win the first game and lose the second game in the playoffs.

Then what?

Are you giving Baker a contract extension at 35M to 40M? Are you franchise tagging him? Are you letting him walk for nothing?

It seems like, barring unexpectedly *significant* improvement from Mayfield, that the Browns will be in a very similar situation next offseason that they're in now, only with fewer options and the possibility of tying up even more money in a guy who they don't know is the guy.

I concede there are scenarios depending on how the trade market does or does not shake out where Baker might be the best option for 2022, but it ultimately does feel like delaying the inevitable.