Bengals @ Browns

[Mac]

Bringing up Green is laughable, he nor Rube had nothign to do with the success or failure of this game.

Its mostly our mellow defense, of which i pointed out.

Will had 4 carries for 12 yards, he had nothing to work either when he ran. Rube didnt have much either..

Dilfer is pretty bad though...he is horribly innaccurate. Its gonna be a very long season.

Another performance from the D like this again, and we wont win a game.

 

[NarlCavs]

To try to look on the bright side, the offensive line played pretty well. There wasn't much pressure on Dilfer and they opened upp some decent holes for the RB's.
Browns have to establish the running game 1st. You can't rely on Dilfer to do it primarily through the air every week. He's better at managing the game with a more conservative offense and occasionally going for the big pass.

The defense was pretty bad which shouldn't be surprising. It's mostly new personnel and a entirely new scheme. O. Roye is the only legitimate starter on the D-line. McKinley and Fisk should be backups. The LB's provided little pressure and that's where it should come from in the 3-4--the outside LB's. I haven't seen yet that Lang has made the transition to LB.
The young S's were pretty bad and seemed to blow some coverages. Hopefully Baxter being out played a role in the poor coverage. McCutcheon still doesn't look to be 100% and Bodden is a nickel back at best.

This team is almost starting over from scratch so I don't have high expectations this year.

 

[Cleveland56]

Frisman doesn't score that TD if Willie Green wasn't on the field. He had two great blocks on the sideline to spring him loose....

Our defense sucks, simple as that.

 

[RuanuLaw]

1. Our O-Line was GREAT. Why? No sacks, no penalties, and if we stuck with the run, R.D. would have had 100 + yards. When was the last time the Browns never gave up a sack and did not have a penalty? AMAZING. lol

2. The momment Willie Green went in, the Offense lost its rhythm. Stick to one back! Stick with R.D. Green makes a great BACK-UP.

3. The game's mommentun changed when Northcutt's punt was called back.

4. Our DBs are retarded. The whole game, our DBs played 10 yards off the WRs. Then when it was 2nd and 25, guess what the DBs do? They play off 3 yards!!!!!!! WTF? When it is in that situation, u are tought to play 8-10 yards off just in case that if the WR still makes the catch, u still have time to tackle him before he gets the 1st down. But what do u expect? We are playing with 2nd and 3rd string DBs.

5. Difler was decent, but he is not meant to be Payton Manning out there. True, he made some mistakes, but who doesn't? If u think he was horrible, go and look at the performance of other QBs. Collpepper (sp) had 0 TDs, 3 INTs, 2 Fumbles. Favre SUCKED, Boller SUCKED! Difler is ranked as the 4th QB with the most yards for week 1 with 278 yards.

We MIGHT beat Green Bay next week because they are a team on the decline, and the injury to their WR just made them decline even faster.

Oh, and we will be 200 times better next week if things keep improving like they did in preseason week after week.

 

[Cavs1]

After that performance, we do need a lot of work. The defense played so soft. Way too many zone coverages, Carson Palmer just started picking us apart. The pass rush was horrible. There was no pressure on Palmer at all, if you just let him sit in the pocket he will rip you a new one.

People keep saying that our offensive line still sucks - what makes you think that? They looked very good in this game. They gave Dilfer time to throw the ball, and did pretty well on run blocking. Our O-Line is 100 times better than it has been any other year since our return.

If the defense doesn't improve, we are guaranteed to have the worst record in the league. Lets start looking ahead to the draft shall we? Do we take Matt Leinart or do we have confidence that Charlie Frye is our QB of the future and we trade down to around pick 4/5 while picking up other assets/draft picks and take someone like A.J. Hawk to anchor our defense?

P.S. Does anyone know if you get Browns or Bengals games down in Columbus? I hope to God that we get Browns games because I move down to OSU on Sunday and I sure as hell am not watching the fucking Bungles all season long.

 

[Mac]

If we do get the #1 pick, which is actually what I want, we trade it. Obviously..

Some team will trade every pick they got like Nawlins did for Williams for Matt L..

I wouldnt take Hawk, our LBs are OK but our DL is crap. Id aim for OL, LT is deep in this draft or DL.

 

[RuanuLaw]

I suspect that if available, our pick next year will be spent on a shutdown Corner.

 

[Mac]

Drafing a CB in the first round is a wasted pick, there is no such thing as a shut down corner.

 

[PIP]

Drafing a CB in the first round is a wasted pick, there is no such thing as a shut down corner.

Right, but there are such things as Deangelo Hall's (looking back, guess we should have taken him over Winslow, I believe he went 8th) He put the clamps on TO late in that game..

If we get #1 ? It must be on the D-line, we need some type of pass rush, if we can't get to the QB, you will see lesser teams doing to us what the bengals did.. I would love and prefer an END, but I would take a run stopping tackle as well.

 

[cavincali]

Pippen you forgot to say why hall put the clamps on him, it was because of the pass rush. if the pash rush wasnt their ownes would have had 200 yards. everytime he made a play mcnabb was being hit as he threw.

 

[PIP]

Pippen you forgot to say why hall put the clamps on him, it was because of the pass rush. if the pash rush wasnt their ownes would have had 200 yards. everytime he made a play mcnabb was being hit as he threw.

Of course Cali, you need it all to work..

Regardless though, D-HALL is a pretty good CB and will improve.. He warrants the pick he was selected at.

I would love to have him right now.. Him and Baxter is a serious upgrade over Mickens,D-MAC, Bodden

 

[Mac]

7 for 112 is not shut down..

and nevermind the fact that two dropped 3 or 4 catchable balls that coulda added on at the min of 50 yards..

Hall is good, but again, a high pick on a CB is a wasted pick.

 

[PIP]

7 for 112 is not shut down..

and nevermind the fact that two dropped 3 or 4 catchable balls that coulda added on at the min of 50 yards..

Hall is good, but again, a high pick on a CB is a wasted pick.

I never said there is a shut down, I said he put the clamps on him late in that game. (which he did)

However I do disagree selecting a corner with a high pick... A quality corner can elimate half the field in big games..

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/football/12629876.htm
Hall draws tough duty, but stands tall at end

By MARC NARDUCCI

Philadelphia Inquirer


ATLANTA - He's brash, bold and talented enough to think he can cover the best receiver in the NFC one-on-one. Atlanta second-year cornerback DeAngelo Hall didn't appear overwhelmed at the task of guarding Terrell Owens most of the evening in Monday night's 14-10 Falcons victory over the Eagles at the Georgia Dome.

While Hall may be one of the bright young up-and-coming talents in the NFL, pairing the 5-foot-10, 197-pound former Virginia Tech star on the 6-3, 226-pound Owens is a matchup the Eagles obviously tried to exploit.

Even though the Falcons would help Hall at times in their zone defense, he was often left out on an island, guarding Owens one-on-one.

Say what you want about T.O., but having to stop him on the football field isn't the easiest of tasks.

Owens caught the Eagles' first pass of the game on a 15-yard slant pattern against Hall.

On the Eagles' second offensive series, it was Hall who came up with an interception of an underthrown ball after Donovan McNabb was clobbered simultaneously by defensive ends Brady Smith and Patrick Kerney.

Hall, who returned five punts for touchdowns in college, then ran back the interception 38 yards. And like Owens, he also has a flair for showboating after making a big play, although not yet to T.O.'s level.

In the beginning of the second quarter, it was Owens who asserted himself against Hall on what would be the Eagles' only first-half touchdown drive.

Owens beat Hall on the first play of the 68-yard drive for 14 yards. Two plays later, Owens would add a 16-yard reception in the drive that ended with Brian Westbrook's catching a 9-yard touchdown pass from Donovan McNabb.

Owens would end with five receptions for 70 yards in the first half.

Not all of Owens' catches could be pinned on Hall. When Owens caught a 23-yard pass on the Eagles' first drive of the second half, the Eagles put him in the slot, with Reggie Brown going wide.

Hall went wide to cover Brown, who was a decoy on the play, while Owens found overmatched linebacker Demorrio Williams on him.

It was the second time that Owens was paired against Williams, who has good speed for a linebacker, but not enough jets to keep up with Owens. Earlier in the first half, Owens dropped a pass with Williams chasing from behind.

Hall's confidence was evident in his style. While most receivers give Owens more than a little cushion, Hall played right up on him most of the evening.

When Atlanta recovered a third-quarter McNabb fumble after he was leveled by Kerney, it was actually Hall who had a big role in the play. McNabb wanted to hit Owens on a slant, but Hall's tight coverage forced McNabb to look elsewhere until he was sacked by Kerney.

Owens went over the 100-yard mark on a 19-yard reception early in the fourth quarter, losing Hall on a crossing pattern.

A few plays later, Owens shook off Hall, but McNabb overthrew him. Later in the series Hall broke up another slant to Owens. The Eagles would have to settle for a field goal to cut the Falcons' lead to 14-10.

In the Eagles' next series, Hall stuck close to Owens, breaking up one pass, then played back and McNabb missed Owens on another slant pattern.

Hall covered Owens like a glove on the Eagles' last-chance fourth-down play, clinching the win for the Falcons.

Owens finished with seven receptions for 112 yards, while Hall had a team-high five tackles

"You got a guy like DeAngelo Hall, whose got a lot of potential to be one of the premiere cornerbacks in the league, tonight was just one more notch in his belt," Falcons linebacker Ike Reese said. "Any time you have that type of weapon on your defense, it allows your coordinator to call a lot of plays that you'd like to call.

 

[Mac]

After reading that, I still wouldnt draft a DB in the first 12 picks.

Wasted pick..with the new rules, you put a DB out there with decent height and good speed and he can do everything Hall can.

With the right pressure, any DB will look great. Dont mistake great pressure a clamp performance by Hall. McNabb was under heat the entire game.

 

[PIP]

You wouldn't....

I would.....

Another agree to disagree.....