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I see his talents and feel like I'd really like to see him in Daunte Culpepper's old role with Minnesota. Run the ball, and play action to Moss and Carter.

But then I wonder how different that would be from what he did in Tampa Bay. Would the reduction in volume bring a significant decrease in the rate of mistakes he makes? Or would the rate stay similar, but the raw number would just drop because of the reduced number of opportunities?
I just am not a fan of what Koetter and Arians were doing with him. If you ask him to continuously bomb the ball downfield then he is going to make mistakes. IIRC he is very good in the short-to-intermediate routes because he gets the ball out so quickly. I just happen to think he has poor anticipation. Nonetheless, throwing so many long passes is going to lead to interceptions.

I do not think he would ever be better than a Kirk Cousins or Dak-level QB (obviously different stylistically). But being the 15th-20th best QB in the NFL does have some value.
 
I just am not a fan of what Koetter and Arians were doing with him. If you ask him to continuously bomb the ball downfield then he is going to make mistakes. IIRC he is very good in the short-to-intermediate routes because he gets the ball out so quickly. I just happen to think he has poor anticipation. Nonetheless, throwing so many long passes is going to lead to interceptions.

I do not think he would ever be better than a Kirk Cousins or Dak-level QB (obviously different stylistically). But being the 15th-20th best QB in the NFL does have some value.
I agree with you. Cousins and Dak are good comparisons in terms of ability.

I think they're both better men and leaders than Jameis, which counts for something. I'm not sure just how much--but it definitely feels like it matters at the QB position in the NFL.
 
I agree with you. Cousins and Dak are good comparisons in terms of ability.

I think they're both better men and leaders than Jameis, which counts for something. I'm not sure just how much--but it definitely feels like it matters at the QB position in the NFL.
It definitely counts. As I said in my first post, I think his arrogance - and, relatedly, leadership - costs him quite a bit. He is arrogant and immature. Players love guys like Dak, Kirk, and Jimmy G because they are great leaders and have talent. Talent alone is not enough.
 
That's some pretty damn good company for a QB that many around the league are ready to write off as a bust, or as this being his "do or die" season.... smh

Incidentally, he had a better QBR than one of the others on the list.

Although GB is completely willing to move on from Rodgers at any time, as their draft shows.
 
Overall, I would say I’m “cautiously very optimistic” about the offense this year. The Shanahan/Kubiak scheme is the most efficient one, play for play, in the NFL. Stefanski generally does a great job scheming plays, especially when in tight games and/or having the lead.

I’ve been watching all of the Vikings games from 2019, though, and I do have one concern. He frequently struggles to adapt when his initial offensive strategy fails.

By no means do I think this is a sign of eventual failure. Hell, it may have just been that his offense talent and/or Zimmer did not allow for anything else. Regardless, when teams could stop the outside zone without extra help in the box, Stefanski really didn’t have answers.

Still, his scheme is *not* the same as Shanahan’s. It’s a similar concept: a lot of outside zone, each play can be run in about six or seven different formations, and runs and passes look identical when the play begins. But Stefanski used a little bit less pre-snap motion and was more creative on play-action plays. Frequently he would also use tight ends as screeners, which is something Shanahan only did irregularly. Conversely, Shanahan was a bit more creative with run schemes, incorporating a lot more duo and trap runs.

I do think Chubb may be the best runningback ever used in this scheme. His vision is unlike anything I’ve seen and makes him a perfect fit. If Stefanski is even average then the Browns should be a very good offensive unit.

One thing I’m infinitely curious to find out about is how much we can actually take away from the 2019 Vikings offense from a play calling and play sequencing standpoint.

Schematically speaking, I think we have a pretty good idea how the Browns offense is going to look.

But last year the Vikings ran the ball a MASSIVE amount in situations (more than any other team in the league by far) it was not advantageous for them to be running the ball, specifically in 2nd and long situations.

Was this because Zimmer was simply demanding the Vikings run the ball early and often, or was this actually Stefanski’s preferred pattern of play calling?

If it’s the former and not the latter, then we may see a somewhat dramatically different Browns offense, at least from a play calling and play sequencing perspective, than what we saw in Minnesota.
 
One thing I’m infinitely curious to find out about is how much we can actually take away from the 2019 Vikings offense from a play calling and play sequencing standpoint.

Schematically speaking, I think we have a pretty good idea how the Browns offense is going to look.

But last year the Vikings ran the ball a MASSIVE amount in situations (more than any other team in the league by far) it was not advantageous for them to be running the ball, specifically in 2nd and long situations.

Was this because Zimmer was simply demanding the Vikings run the ball early and often, or was this actually Stefanski’s preferred pattern of play calling?

If it’s the former and not the latter, then we may see a somewhat dramatically different Browns offense, at least from a play calling and play sequencing perspective, than what we saw in Minnesota.
I think we'll see the Browns pass the ball more than Minnesota did last year. I think Baker's a more talented QB than Kirk Cousins, and I feel our receiving talent is better as well.

I think I'm good with running the ball in down-and-distance situations where the defense isn't expecting it. I really hope we look at the way SF called plays last year. I feel like they'd routinely run the ball on a second or third and long, the defense wouldn't expect it, and they'd gash them for a huge play.
 
no camp any time soon what’s the hurry? He either takes 3M more and plays for an unstable franchise or takes less and plays for stability and makes the playoffs. It’s a big decision if the 3M makes the difference.

Also no state income tax in WA (or TN if he considers there,) although cost of living in Seattle at least arguably balances that out, as well as how the Seahawks play 4+ Cali games per year as well as plenty of other states with at least some tax.
 
I think we'll see the Browns pass the ball more than Minnesota did last year. I think Baker's a more talented QB than Kirk Cousins, and I feel our receiving talent is better as well.

I think I'm good with running the ball in down-and-distance situations where the defense isn't expecting it. I really hope we look at the way SF called plays last year. I feel like they'd routinely run the ball on a second or third and long, the defense wouldn't expect it, and they'd gash them for a huge play.
I would like to see Stefanski call more pre-snap motion than he did last year. Tennessee, San Fransisco, and LAR all use it a ton and it really compliments the OZ scheme.

Also, I agree with you, especially because of the scheme’s nature. The idea behind the scheme is that pass and run plays start out looking the same. Additionally, the running game in this scheme is not designed to gain three yards on bad runs and five yards on good runs. It’s designed to get zero yards on bad runs and 7-8 yards on good runs - while also having more major play potential.
 
I would like to see Stefanski call more pre-snap motion than he did last year. Tennessee, San Fransisco, and LAR all use it a ton and it really compliments the OZ scheme.

Also, I agree with you, especially because of the scheme’s nature. The idea behind the scheme is that pass and run plays start out looking the same. Additionally, the running game in this scheme is not designed to gain three yards on bad runs and five yards on good runs. It’s designed to get zero yards on bad runs and 7-8 yards on good runs - while also having more major play potential.
And it just so happens we have a home run hitting RB.

Could be a fun season if things go our way.
 
I would like to see Stefanski call more pre-snap motion than he did last year. Tennessee, San Fransisco, and LAR all use it a ton and it really compliments the OZ scheme.

Also, I agree with you, especially because of the scheme’s nature. The idea behind the scheme is that pass and run plays start out looking the same. Additionally, the running game in this scheme is not designed to gain three yards on bad runs and five yards on good runs. It’s designed to get zero yards on bad runs and 7-8 yards on good runs - while also having more major play potential.
That's a very good point. I'm surprised you left KC off your list of pre-snap motion teams. I'm assuming it's because your above examples were more run-focused teams. But, I feel like KC use it more than anyone, to great success, and is another example of why we should be incorporating it.

Honestly, I think at this point, any team that isn't using pre-snap motion regularly is just being lazy. It's free pressure that you exert on a defense. It's a free way to increase your offensive output. All it takes is more effort on the playcalling and player understanding side of things
 
That's a very good point. I'm surprised you left KC off your list of pre-snap motion teams. I'm assuming it's because your above examples were more run-focused teams. But, I feel like KC use it more than anyone, to great success, and is another example of why we should be incorporating it.

Honestly, I think at this point, any team that isn't using pre-snap motion regularly is just being lazy. It's free pressure that you exert on a defense. It's a free way to increase your offensive output. All it takes is more effort on the playcalling and player understanding side of things
Yeah, I was focused more on the outside zone running scheme teams. Kansas City uses OZ, but only on 35.7% of their run plays, which was 11th most in the NFL. Kansas City did use pre-snap motion the most in the NFL, though.

I guess I do not understand the cost of pre-snap motion? There are clear benefits (lets your QB see coverage pre-snap, confuses defenses, lets you get your weapons moving ahead of the snap, etc.) and there are no clear costs. It just seems like such a “no, duh” strategy that teams who do not use it are - as you note - lazy.
 

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