BROWNS OFF-SEASON 2020

[Wrathe]

Good to see that moment not defining him.

 

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[Vee-Rex]

First player to opt out that actually might hurt....that said, I will take a rotation player (although a good rotational player) as our most significant opt out so far.

Yeah I imagine there will be other rotational pieces released from other teams worthy of being examined. Let's hope Jordan Elliot is the real deal for us.

 

[chrisrich91]

Andrew Berry makes me comfortable and confident in the direction of this organization.

If Stefanski and Baker can do their jobs well, the sky is the limit.

 

[Surge]

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

LeBron has faced an entire career of criticism for his attitude. Is this honestly a serious argument?

LeBron has faced the exact same criticism as would any other athlete who pulled something like the Decision. That didn't happen because he was black. It happened because he was being a douchebag, and most people recognized it.

He's been labeled with stereotype upon stereotype upon stereotype throughout his career.

Uh..."greatest athlete of all time"? Basketball savant with incredible mental understanding of the game? Hardest working athlete in the NBA? What the fuck "stereotypes". And on the flip side, dude basically got a free pass for giving China a knob-job on Hong Kong.

Brees received negative attention for his comments, but is nowhere near systematically labeled as a "diva" by the media for his history of questionable commentary on the social issues concerning his teammates.

"Diva" isn't a racist term - it comes from (overwhelmingly white) women in opera. It is applied all the time to people of whatever race who are perceived as demanding to be the center of attention.

Moreover, the media isn't going out of their way to purposely take his comments out of context.

Its simply not the same, and I don't want to pretend that it is.

That's complete crap. Brees' comments were taken as not caring about racism, which was completely out of content and obviously not what he meant. But that's what the sports press does in general, regardless of race, especially if it is otherwise a slow news day for sports. They'll distort all sorts of things to get a headline.

If you want a clear example of the difference, lets cite Colin Kaepernick vs. Drew Brees for a lesson in race differences with regards to treatment by the media and consequences for their comments (as it pertains to anything "political," as OBJs comments were not political).

You must be joking. Colin Kaepernick is a freaking media hero. There's a movie being made about him, Disney is going to publish his shows (can't wait to see his version of "The Three Little Pigs"), and Goodell himself has said they want Kaepernick at the table to keep them in line.

Drew Brees had to do multiple public apologies amounting a verbal proskynesis to anyone who would listen to avoid being trashed for saying something that should have been well within the realm of legitimate discussion. Nobody has made him into a celebrity icon or asked him to make TV shows. If anything, as of the present, black athletes are getting preferential treatment compared to white athletes in terms of tolerance for public statements because if you criticize a black athlete, you run the risk of being accused of racism.

 

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[AZ_]

LeBron has faced the exact same criticism as would any other athlete who pulled something like the Decision. That didn't happen because he was black. It happened because he was being a douchebag, and most people recognized it.

Uh..."greatest athlete of all time"? Basketball savant with incredible mental understanding of the game? Hardest working athlete in the NBA? What the fuck "stereotypes are those". And on the flip side, dude basically got a free pass for giving China a knob-job on Hong Kong.

Just because LeBron has been called other things by the media does not excuse the times in which he's stereotyped based on his race. Once again, you're deflecting from these to tell me about other times when he was not racially stereotyped. That's not how this works...

You're moving the goalposts again here and its incredibly disingenuous, considering that he and the NBA are in the midst of trying to be cancelled for his comments on China. Also disingenuous is you singling out The Decision as criticism he's faced that wasn't racially motivated. Its clearly a Red Herring.

This is multiple fallacy arguments in a political context that have absolutely nothing to do with this argument about OBJ being taken out of context.

Among the various racist stereotypes piled on LeBron:

“LeBron James’ mom did not practice birth control”

"Shut up and dribble"

He's gotten the same "diva" treatment and such, even after his home was defaced with a racial slur.

"Diva" isn't a racist term - it comes from (overwhelmingly white) women in opera. It is applied all the time to people of whatever race who are perceived as demanding to be the center of attention.

Diva is a racist stereotype of wide receivers in the NFL. Not a racist term without that context.

That's complete crap. Brees' comments were taken as not caring about racism, which was completely out of content and obviously not what he meant. But that's what the sports press does in general, regardless of race, especially if it is otherwise a slow news day for sports. They'll distort all sorts of things to get a headline.

Brees' comments were not taken out of context, they cause quite an uproar from his own teammates and NFL colleagues as being well out of touch with the purpose of the protests, and they were right.

Not only were they right, but Brees had the balls to go dialogue with them and then acknowledged his mistake.

You must be joking. Colin Kaepernick is a freaking media hero. There's a movie being made about him, Disney is going to publish his shows (can't wait to see his version of "The Three Little Pigs", and Goodell himself has said they want Kaepernick at the table to keep them in line.

Good, he deserves it for standing up for his beliefs, especially after he was cancelled for it.

Driven out of the league for protesting, after which the media lied about his intent for protesting, allowed bad faith actors to report that his protests were about the military, the flag, anti-America, et al...

Completely disingenuous and the NFL SHOULD do quite a bit more to rectify his mistake.

Drew Brees had to do multiple public apologies amounting a verbal proskynesis to anyone who would listen to avoid being trashed for saying something that should have been well within the realm of legitimate discussion. Nobody has made him into a celebrity icon or asked him to make TV shows. If anything, as of the present, black athletes are getting preferential treatment compared to white athletes in terms of tolerance for public statements because if you criticize a black athlete, you run the risk of being accused of racism.

Drew Brees was wrong, admitted it, and apologized. Can we cease with the hyperbole?

Colin Kaepernick was free to protest as he pleased, in a non-violent way, and they cancelled him.

Drew Brees will be the starting QB of a Super Bowl contender, make $20+ million this year and has his reputation and his checkbook firmly intact. Oh, and good luck having a Black athlete get away with his close ties to religious extremists and the anti-LGBTQ movement...

Kaepernick is out of the league despite having 80% of his seasons with a QB rating of 85 or better.

And I'm supposed to believe that its Kaepernick, not Brees, who is getting preferential treatment?


C'mon ...

 

[Surge]

Can you two take it to PM's? I see a lot of names in the last page or so and none of them are Cleveland Browns.

Thanks!

 

[caf]

This seems like the post that started the dialogue. Is this post political in nature? It sure seems to be a commentary/opinion on the current political climate.

Let’s keep politics in the politics section guys.

Media going out of their way to dramatize a Black athlete as some sort of “diva?”

Well I’m shocked for sure...

I empathize with OBJ. Can’t be easy being an outspoken, Black sports figure right about now.

 

[Randolphkeys]

This seems like the post that started the dialogue. Is this post political in nature? It sure seems to be a commentary/opinion on the current political climate.

Let’s keep politics in the politics section guys.

I am all for ending the discussion, but let's be fair. This piece of news was tweeted by sports media as a topic of sports discussion. There is a lot of grey area because the real subject here is whether or not the NFL season should be played for health reasons.

 

[Surge]

Agreed (that it's a grey area), that's why I didn't delete any posts. They actually spent a good bit of time on them, and they were civil about it.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Agreed, that's why I didn't delete any posts. They actually spent a good bit of time on them, and they were civil about it.

Glad you're being lenient. I've always thought the idea that we can't even discuss politics at all is a little ridiculous when they're so entwined in every aspect of our daily lives, especially right now with everything that's happening.

I do get the need to curtail the conversation when it starts to get personal, though.

 

[Surge]

Glad you're being lenient. I've always thought the idea that we can't even discuss politics at all is a little ridiculous when they're so entwined in every aspect of our daily lives, especially right now with everything that's happening.

I do get the need to curtail the conversation when it starts to get personal, though.

I was most upset they buried my post about Billings opting out. I was excited to be the first to break some news around here.

But this site has made me think about where I stand on a lot of stuff over the years, and actually proven me wrong at certain times. I appreciate differing opinions as long as it doesn't get aggressive or personal.

 

[AZ_]

I was most upset they buried my post about Billings opting out. I was excited to be the first to break some news around here.

But this site has made me think about where I stand on a lot of stuff over the years, and actually proven me wrong at certain times. I appreciate differing opinions as long as it doesn't get aggressive or personal.

Well said, and I appreciate this type of stance as well.