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My friend rented a Tesla and I got to test drive it. First time I’ve been in one. I need a new car actually.

So is the automated driving not that viable if it isn’t the full automated version? So it won’t stop at red lights or stop signs right? Or switch lanes I guess but with snow banks on the streets right now it didn’t recognize how close to get to the side.
 
Ford dropped the prices of the Mach-E, but not nearly to the level that Tesla did. In fact, their reduced prices are still higher than they were when they bumped the prices up in August.

I also saw that Mercedes claims to have passed Tesla by reaching level 3 autonomous driving:
 
As far as the cost of driving, I calculated the cost of driving my Hybrid , including depreciation and insurance and gas @ 32 cents a mile, so very much not buying 11.26..Also the IRS recognizes 46 cents a mile as an expense IIRC.. So something is very off in the math
 
My friend rented a Tesla and I got to test drive it. First time I’ve been in one. I need a new car actually.

So is the automated driving not that viable if it isn’t the full automated version? So it won’t stop at red lights or stop signs right? Or switch lanes I guess but with snow banks on the streets right now it didn’t recognize how close to get to the side.

3 levels, which are all the same software running, but with more features turned on.

1 - basic autopilot: it's adaptive cruise control + stay in the lane. You have to make turns and stop for stop lights if there is no car ahead of you. Always staying centered in your lane is valuable in itself. Pay attention to how many cars drift out of the lane when you drive. Also warns you of you try to change lanes and there is someone in the other lane.

2 - enhanced autopilot: two main additions are adding navigation on highways and automatic lane changing. So once you get on the highway, it'll do all lane changes and exits and merges until it takes the exit ramp to leave the interstate. The automatic lane changing works great. I never change lanes myself, either car figures out it's needed and does it, or I turn on the blinker if I want to get over (like if a car driving fast is coming up behind me).

The enhanced AP part of FSD makes long trips much, much easier than driving. I tend to call people and talk while on trips, I used to miss exits. That never happens now.

3 - Full self driving: adds stop light and stop sign control and navigation/turns on city streets. You don't have to do anything besides pay attention to the road and take over if it starts to do something wrong. After a while using it it gets pretty predictable where you might have to take over.

For me there is a new traffic circle near my house that isn't in the map correctly yet, I drive for that one. If I leave it on, it does slow down, but is a sharp slow down because the map is wrong. There are two other traffic circles near me where it does better (city oddly decided they love traffic circles instead of stop lights).

Other than that, my main intervention is to adjust the max speed a few places and I pretty much only drive in 3 situations

- parking lots
- place I'm going is really close. Easier to just drive there than set the destination to go across the street.
- when I get to to the traffic cops directing traffic going to the cavs game until the time I'm passed them leaving. I'm actually not sure if it can follow their instructions, I do know they get really annoyed if you hesitate.
 
Ford dropped the prices of the Mach-E, but not nearly to the level that Tesla did. In fact, their reduced prices are still higher than they were when they bumped the prices up in August.

I also saw that Mercedes claims to have passed Tesla by reaching level 3 autonomous driving:

it's a gimmick.

Only works stuck in traffic interstate traffic in Nevada where the road doesn't curve too much, cars aren't moving too quickly, cars aren't too far ahead, sun isn't shining too brightly, no bad weather, etc, etc. Also can't change lanes. Also isn't available yet.

There are almost no places like that in Nevada, basically it would work on a small stretch of the interstate near the Vegas strip.

100% certain Tesla could carve out things like this and claim level 3. And 100% certain Tesla would consistently do zero interventions in the exact narrow case Mercedes claims level 3 and more. Tesla isn't interested in narrow level 3, they are building general a system that will be capable of general level 4/5.
 
it's a gimmick.

Only works stuck in traffic interstate traffic in Nevada where the road doesn't curve too much, cars aren't moving too quickly, cars aren't too far ahead, sun isn't shining too brightly, no bad weather, etc, etc. Also can't change lanes. Also isn't available yet.

There are almost no places like that in Nevada, basically it would work on a small stretch of the interstate near the Vegas strip.

100% certain Tesla could carve out things like this and claim level 3. And 100% certain Tesla would consistently do zero interventions in the exact narrow case Mercedes claims level 3 and more. Tesla isn't interested in narrow level 3, they are building general a system that will be capable of general level 4/5.
1. Death
2. Taxes
3. You downplaying an accomplishment of another automaker.
 
1. Death
2. Taxes
3. You downplaying an accomplishment of another automaker.

I've watched their videos and have tens of thousands of miles experience driving in a system that does more.
 
So I've seen Model Y's on the street driving before but never really looked closely at them. I was driving similar speed to one on the highway today and slowly over took it. I think at a quick glance it doesn't look bad but having to stare at it for a while made me realize how odd all the proportions are. I think it's alot uglier in person than pictures or just quickly seeing it is.

This is also coming from someone who loves the first generation BMW m coupe that people have dubbed the clown shoe.
 
So, I’m still a couple years away from buying a new car, but I like to save and plan things out. What’s a good hybrid/EV that will get me through Northeast Ohio winters? I also saw that some are not good in cold temps and I’d need to reduce heat to save on battery life. Is that true?
 
The market is flooded with new options right now. IMO - you have the luxury of waiting to see how all these new options perform in the real world and it would be best to re-assess when you are closer to ready to buy. (Can also see how the used market shakes out if you are interested in buying used)
 
So, I’m still a couple years away from buying a new car, but I like to save and plan things out. What’s a good hybrid/EV that will get me through Northeast Ohio winters? I also saw that some are not good in cold temps and I’d need to reduce heat to save on battery life. Is that true?
The last part, yes. The Bolt for example has poor ratings in the cold, which is what scared me off of it. An EV with a heat pump looks like the best way to go. GM is working to add them, and the Kias.and Hyundai's have them too.

The good news is you sound like you are in my boat, and a few years off from an EV... I think the market has time to adjust, and now if the EVs in the way, and even the current ones, can make changes to be more cold weather friendly.
 
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