Cleveland Browns 2020 Regular Season: What a Ride!

[Rich]

It’s amazing to me that during all of this Stafford look at raw numbers no one has pointed out he plays 9 games a year in a dome

That honestly is a valid point that goes overlooked.

 

[Triplethreat]

What the fuck happened to the Raiders today lol....

Massive for us

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

That honestly is a valid point that goes overlooked.

I’ve been looking for more granular splits so I can either look by month and indoor/outdoor or more preferably by temperature, though obviously neither are perfect

for now the raw stats show a marginally worse guy outside, but since he’s not an all pro in the first place every marginal bit counts:

in a dome (94 games)

63.4% completion
173 TD, 89 INT (1.94 TD/int, 1.84 touchdowns/game)
91.1 rating
7.3 Y/A
279.2 passing yards per game

outside (54 games)
60.9% completion
85 TD, 47 int (1.81 TD/INT, 1.57 touchdowns per game)
86.7 rating
7.1 Y/A
267.8 passing yards per game

counting stats on a per 16 game basis outdoors:
4285 yards
25.2 touchdowns
13.9 int
603.9 attempts

Baker this year (pace):
3,066 yards
24.7 touchdowns
10.2 int
427.6 attempts (7.17 Y/A)

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Vee-Rex]

What the fuck happened to the Raiders today lol....

Massive for us

Apparently other good teams/players can actually play badly? I'd have never thought that reading this forum!

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Apparently other good teams/players can actually play badly? I'd have never thought that reading this forum!

I’m resisting the urge to grave dig, but one poster (who also said we would lose 10 games after the raiders loss) spent weeks talking about how the ONLY realistic path to the Browns making the playoffs was to win 11 games. 10 was guaranteed to not be enough

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

I’ve been looking for more granular splits so I can either look by month and indoor/outdoor or more preferably by temperature, though obviously neither are perfect

for now the raw stats show a marginally worse guy outside, but since he’s not an all pro in the first place every marginal bit counts:

in a dome (94 games)

63.4% completion
173 TD, 89 INT (1.94 TD/int, 1.84 touchdowns/game)
91.1 rating
7.3 Y/A
279.2 passing yards per game

outside (54 games)
60.9% completion
85 TD, 47 int (1.81 TD/INT, 1.57 touchdowns per game)
86.7 rating
7.1 Y/A
267.8 passing yards per game

counting stats on a per 16 game basis outdoors:
4285 yards
25.2 touchdowns
13.9 int
603.9 attempts

Baker this year (pace):
3,066 yards
24.7 touchdowns
10.2 int
427.6 attempts (7.17 Y/A)

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

For me, I throw out all the counting stats.

Stafford has (had?) a better arm. He can make more throws than Baker with more velocity. He also is more accurate and has been better at reading NFL defenses. He's also less mobile, so if we want to run a system with tons of play-action rollouts, that may be a giant concern, and reason that Stafford's a complete non-starter.

There's no reason Baker can't make up that gap within the next two years (and remember, that's the gap between a young QB and a veteran nearing the end of his career).

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

For me, I throw out all the counting stats.

Stafford has (had?) a better arm. He can make more throws than Baker with more velocity. He also is more accurate and has been better at reading NFL defenses. He's also less mobile, so if we want to run a system with tons of play-action rollouts, that may be a giant concern, and reason that Stafford's a complete non-starter.

There's no reason Baker can't make up that gap within the next two years (and remember, that's the gap between a young QB and a veteran nearing the end of his career).

I’m not going to lie to you, I watch a few Lions games a year. I just don’t watch enough Lions to feel confident making statements on eye test because the sample size I catch is too small. I agree with you on counting stats, but I think since I’m looking at it relative to his other counting stats it still paints a relative picture of how the dome has helped. Again, this adjusts for nothing opponent wise, pre/post megatron etc. but the argument for Stafford has been heavily focused on counting stats so I wanted to look at how much of that would actually translate to The Great Outdoors

 

[Sebastian]

Is this relevant to the conversation? Or just a fun antidote?

Because berry was VP of player personnel when Baker was drafted and while it could all be lies I thought we heard numerous times it was the analytics breakdown that really propelled Baker to be drafted number 1 (meaning Berry was presumably on board)

Anecdote.

For some reason I was thinking about the Hail Mary passes Couch threw to win games.

And of course KJ was a huge part of that team.

Everyone thought the release was shocking.

Until they found out why... and then people got pissed because Davis got rid of the wrong guy because William Green sucked ass.

 

[Sebastian]

For me, I throw out all the counting stats.

Stafford has (had?) a better arm. He can make more throws than Baker with more velocity. He also is more accurate and has been better at reading NFL defenses. He's also less mobile, so if we want to run a system with tons of play-action rollouts, that may be a giant concern, and reason that Stafford's a complete non-starter.

There's no reason Baker can't make up that gap within the next two years (and remember, that's the gap between a young QB and a veteran nearing the end of his career).

Or he won't make up the gap.

But, I think the discussion can be shelved considering Baker's performance.

We can now dwell on how an 11-win team may not get into the playoffs... and how it figures.

 

[shoes22]

Lost in all the hubbub...did Sendejo low-key have a good game today? This was maybe the first game all season where I didn’t see any egregious mistakes by him.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Or he won't make up the gap.

But, I think the discussion can be shelved considering Baker's performance.

We can now dwell on how an 11-win team may not get into the playoffs... and how it figures.

There won’t be an 11 win team that misses the playoffs. I have extreme confidence in that and I think that a 10 win team can make it

 

[Lee]

It’s amazing to me that during all of this Stafford look at raw numbers no one has pointed out he plays 9 games a year in a dome

I was thinking it, does that count? lol

 

[NorthCoastBias]

I’m resisting the urge to grave dig, but one poster (who also said we would lose 10 games after the raiders loss) spent weeks talking about how the ONLY realistic path to the Browns making the playoffs was to win 11 games. 10 was guaranteed to not be enough

Tough day for the leader of the Autobots.

 

[WUJU]

JUST WIN BABY!

 

[Ohio]

Tough day for the leader of the Autobots.

His "Fighting Rece Davises" took an L to mighty Michigan State last night too