Darius Kinnard Garland

[avs2000]

I just don't think we have the ability to develop players. After seeing multiple high first round picks falter on the Cavs, I do not think we have staff in place that can help these guys get better. They either have it or they don't. If they don't, they flame out.

This is this staffs first year. When lebron was here there was no emphasis on developing young players. So i dont know what your talking about

 

[ShawnKempIsMyDad]

This is this staffs first year. When lebron was here there was no emphasis on developing young players. So i dont know what your talking about

Taking a look at Garland, it's clear that this year's staff cannot develop players. The kid hasn't learned a thing this year.

 

[Man Called X]

Taking a look at Garland, it's clear that this year's staff cannot develop players. The kid hasn't learned a thing this year.

I'm willing to call this out as bullshit. Porter Jr looks like the real deal and has definitely improved. Sexton's decision making skills are clearly being worked on and showing success with each passing week. If Garland isn't up to the task, that's on him. Not the staff.

 

[ShawnKempIsMyDad]

I'm willing to call this out as bullshit. Porter Jr looks like the real deal and has definitely improved. Sexton's decision making skills are clearly being worked on and showing success with each passing week. If Garland isn't up to the task, that's on him. Not the staff.

So when players learn it's due to the staff, but when they don't learn the staff isn't at all responsible.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

So when players learn it's due to the staff, but when they don't learn the staff isn't all all responsible.

No...it's just that it takes both a player that is willing/able to learn, and a staff that can teach. If you're missing the first, then the player won't improve. If you're missing the second, then the only improvement you'll see is the stuff the player does on his own. Like Sexton with his shot last year.

 

[ShawnKempIsMyDad]

No...it's just that it takes both a player that is willing/able to learn, and a staff that can teach. If you're missing the first, then the player won't improve. If you're missing the second, then the only improvement you'll see is the stuff the player does on his own. Like Sexton with his shot last year.

There's no evidence that Garland isn't willing/able to learn. While I don't disagree with what you are saying, you are assigning character attributes to Garland without proof.

On the other hand, I would say there is plenty of proof that the coaching staff hasn't helped Garland much. He still looks pretty lost. His play is proof enough.

Also, to say that players improve their shot on their own isn't really accurate when the team has shooting coaches.

 

[CleveRocks]

There's no evidence that Garland isn't willing/able to learn. While I don't disagree with what you are saying, you are assigning character attributes to Garland without proof.

On the other hand, I would say there is plenty of proof that the coaching staff hasn't helped Garland much. He still looks pretty lost. His play is proof enough.

Also, to say that players improve their shot on their own isn't really accurate when the team has shooting coaches.

Garlands problem is that he is not physically ready to defend NBA athletes AND he is learning NBA level rotations.. Opposing teams switch him until they get a physical player on him and just beat home into dust.. on a better defensive team, he would get help, but often.he is just left on the island..

A team can hide such a weakness ( IT in Boston for example) but it needs a defensive squad that works in synch.. that's a long putt for Sexton and Garland right now..

 

[Nathan S]

If he was an inch shorter or a tiny bit less athletic, he probably wouldn't have been on the radar as a possible NBA guy.

 

[Green Lantern]

I just don't think we have the ability to develop players. After seeing multiple high first round picks falter on the Cavs, I do not think we have staff in place that can help these guys get better. They either have it or they don't. If they don't, they flame out.

Lumthemad said one thing that is always on my mind.Kids leave college way too early , now after 1 year.
Thats not time to develop their skills..
Back in the day, players would stay for 3-4 years and come in the league and be ready to go.
NBA isn't a league to fully develop players..often they have to put in extra work more than what the coach has time to do, depending on how long he lasts.
The other factor is the one you speak about..Cleveland.
Look at those first round picks from the past and understand they didn't really have the talent to develop into anything.
Irving was one who developed because he had skills..Lebron..well I don't need to say much..
While I don't care to list the names, Cavs made some bad decisions on player evaluations way too many times and it stunted the team .
Other times with some lower picks the Cavs jettisoned them way too soon , be a trade or a redundant draft pick the next season.

Garland? I can't speak on him ,how many games did he play in college? 4?
He's one(among many)that needed to stay in for another season or two.
He's a deer in the headlights at times, other time you see some skills.
He has a ton of things to learn and how to fit into the NBA.
Thats going to take some time for him.

 

[Jordan]

Garlands problem is that he is not physically ready to defend NBA athletes AND he is learning NBA level rotations.. Opposing teams switch him until they get a physical player on him and just beat home into dust.. on a better defensive team, he would get help, but often.he is just left on the island..

A team can hide such a weakness ( IT in Boston for example) but it needs a defensive squad that works in synch.. that's a long putt for Sexton and Garland right now..

This^

Garland was always going to have a hard time improving this year. He is not physically ready for the NBA and players do not improve that during the season. The question is if you think he is seeing the game better, and I’m not entirely sure if that’s the case, but I think we will know more of the next thirty games.

He is a skilled offensive player. He’s too physically weak to be a threat driving to the rim, and that has resulted in other teams playing the passing lanes. It won’t be as easy to do that with Drummond, which means Garland’s in-season improvement should become more testable than it has been all year.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

There's no evidence that Garland isn't willing/able to learn. While I don't disagree with what you are saying, you are assigning character attributes to Garland without proof.

Hold on a second. That's the exact kind of assumption you made upthread about the staff:

Taking a look at Garland, it's clear that this year's staff cannot develop players. The kid hasn't learned a thing this year.

You assumed without proof that Garland's lack of improvement was because of the staff. I'm simply pointing out that it may be because of Garland himself. That's the other possibility. Also, I didn't say he was not willing to learn. I said a player must be both willing and able. It may be that the physical burden on him this year has been too much, and he needs an offseason to get stronger. if that is the case, it's not a character flaw. Just a recognition that he's not yet mature physically, and had to go without playing hoops for an extended period before this season.

On the other hand, I would say there is plenty of proof that the coaching staff hasn't helped Garland much. He still looks pretty lost. His play is proof enough.

Again, you're assuming that any lack of improvement by Garland must be the fault of the staff, and that assumption isn't valid. In fact, we have seen improvement by both KPJ and Sexton, so it is apparent that the staff can develop at least some players. As to why Garland hasn't shown equivalent improvement, we don't know whether that is because of Garland himself, because of the staff, or both.

Also, to say that players improve their shot on their own isn't really accurate when the team has shooting coaches.

I said players can improve their shot on their by committing themselves to a ton of shooting off the court, which we know Sexton in particular did. To the point where the Cavs had to tell him to stop. There was data posted last year showing that Sexton actually logged half as many practice shots as the rest of the Cavs combined.

How Collin Sexton’s change in shot selection -- and teammates’ yelling -- has led to a historic stretch

But there’s something else. His shot selection.

www.cleveland.com

 

[Cavatt]

Wait Garland hasn't improved this year? That is news to me? Man he couldn't hit the broad side of the barn his first 10 games. His first 20 he looked lost. His last 20 he got better and better, but his last 10 he has hit a wall.

No surprise to me with that weak body that spent all year rehabbing that he doesn't have the endurance. His shot is smooth, but it is obvious with that one he hit the side of the backboard with that he is still adjusting to NBA speed.

When he started out he could not get into the lane without turning the ball over. He still has that problem protecting the ball, but he has been much better going in and out of traffic.

KPJ has had the better year IMO. I think he might also have the higher ceiling. However, Garland has definitely improved, but he was the least NBA ready rookie we got this year, mostly because of his body/conditioning.

Way too early to call. I trust the staff to help these guys get stronger like Sexton did. Last year Sexton got bumped off his shot all the time and had a really hard time finishing. This year he finishes through contact and has a nice little hook when defender are right on him bumping him. Garland isn't even where Sexton was last year. I think as Garland gets used to the speed of the game, the shot is going to look much better, and that is where he needs to build from.

He hasn't even figured out what passes he can and can't make yet. I do like he and Collin are playing together more and are finding each other. It took awhile, but it is no surprise. They are babies.

 

[ansatsusha80]

Wait Garland hasn't improved this year? That is news to me? Man he couldn't hit the broad side of the barn his first 10 games. His first 20 he looked lost. His last 20 he got better and better, but his last 10 he has hit a wall.

No surprise to me with that weak body that spent all year rehabbing that he doesn't have the endurance. His shot is smooth, but it is obvious with that one he hit the side of the backboard with that he is still adjusting to NBA speed.

When he started out he could not get into the lane without turning the ball over. He still has that problem protecting the ball, but he has been much better going in and out of traffic.

KPJ has had the better year IMO. I think he might also have the higher ceiling. However, Garland has definitely improved, but he was the least NBA ready rookie we got this year, mostly because of his body/conditioning.

Way too early to call. I trust the staff to help these guys get stronger like Sexton did. Last year Sexton got bumped off his shot all the time and had a really hard time finishing. This year he finishes through contact and has a nice little hook when defender are right on him bumping him. Garland isn't even where Sexton was last year. I think as Garland gets used to the speed of the game, the shot is going to look much better, and that is where he needs to build from.

He hasn't even figured out what passes he can and can't make yet. I do like he and Collin are playing together more and are finding each other. It took awhile, but it is no surprise. They are babies.

I don't understand,why people are so hard on the young players. It makes no sense to me.

I understand fans want the team to go back to the playoffs but it takes time. This team is light years better than the team when Lebron left the first time...imo..The team drafted four really good players that will help this organization get back to the playoffs. I wish fans be patient and let the players develop.

 

[Nphan]

Taking a look at Garland, it's clear that this year's staff cannot develop players. The kid hasn't learned a thing this year.

Maybe Garland just not ready. Guy might be too soft. He should have stayed in college a couple more years.

 

[daddywags]

I don't think it's possible to make any judgments about Garland this season. I'll wait until this time next year. I believe the most important factor will be his attitude and work ethic, neither of which I feel able to judge right now.