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Darius Kinnard Garland

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What is Darius Garland's Ceiling?

  • One Time All-Star

    Votes: 18 11.0%

  • Occasional All-Star

    Votes: 19 11.7%

  • 5-6 Time All-Star

    Votes: 31 19.0%

  • Perennial All-Star

    Votes: 40 24.5%

  • An All-NBA Team or Two

    Votes: 22 13.5%

  • Perennial All-NBA Teamer

    Votes: 20 12.3%

  • Occasional MVP Candidate

    Votes: 11 6.7%

  • Perennial MVP Candidate

    Votes: 2 1.2%

  • MVP, Baby!

    Votes: 10 6.1%

  • Being Jim Chones

    Votes: 13 8.0%
  • Total voters
    163
cavsfever said:
Sexton has demonstrated elite scoring skills and excellent character and work ethic. He still has a lot of issues around defense and his floor game, but he has demonstrated elite NBA level skills in at least one area. Garland has not, and he makes a bad backcourt match with Sexton. If developing Sexton is a priority, and I think it has to be given our talent shortage, I don't see how you screw around with trying to develop Garland at the same time.

I always thought it was crazy to use a lottery pick on another small guard one year after using a lottery pick on Sexton.
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Garland has not? I mean, why is this a post?? Garland was a rookie with little playing time in College. Sexton displayed scoring skills inside a inflated body of work, driven by the Cavs feeding him. This post represents the failure of evaluators to see beyond the score. I try to develop Garland because he is a more complete ball handler and passer. He also has better core instincts with his shot, that translates as he grows and develops. Sexton is so modern NBA. The kind of guy that leads tanking teams. Why Garland's lift the O'briens. Sadly, your to stupid to see it, because you expect 19-20 year olds to be fully developed.
 
Futuredome said:
Garland has not? I mean, why is this a post?? Garland was a rookie with little playing time in College. Sexton displayed scoring skills inside a inflated body of work, driven by the Cavs feeding him. This post represents the failure of evaluators to see beyond the score. I try to develop Garland because he is a more complete ball handler and passer. He also has better core instincts with his shot, that translates as he grows and develops. Sexton is so modern NBA. The kind of guy that leads tanking teams. Why Garland's lift the O'briens. Sadly, your to stupid to see it, because you expect 19-20 year olds to be fully developed.
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What should've been Garland's freshman year in college ended up being his rookie season in the NBA. The future remains very bright for Garland and he is to much of a natural ball handler and shooter to not have a successful career. Really looking forward to watching his development the next couple years.
 
Futuredome said:
Garland has not? I mean, why is this a post?? Garland was a rookie with little playing time in College. Sexton displayed scoring skills inside a inflated body of work, driven by the Cavs feeding him. This post represents the failure of evaluators to see beyond the score. I try to develop Garland because he is a more complete ball handler and passer. He also has better core instincts with his shot, that translates as he grows and develops. Sexton is so modern NBA. The kind of guy that leads tanking teams. Why Garland's lift the O'briens. Sadly, your to stupid to see it, because you expect 19-20 year olds to be fully developed.
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Let's not call people stupid because they don't love Garland. You've been here long enough to know better. Attack the argument, not the poster.

Realistically speaking, Garland didn't show much of anything but a few flashes. You call Sexton's scoring being fed, but the efficiency he scored at doesn't account for being force-fed. It was absolutely elite, and being fair, probably just the tip of the iceberg. He was showing real growth at the end of the year making the right reads, all while scoring hyper efficiently.

Personally, I don't see Garland ever developing beyond a solid backup guard. I think he has the skills to be more, but I question the dedication that requires.

Now I've obviously got real estate of Sexton Island, but I think the Young Bull gonna surprise some people next year.
 
Man Called X said:
Let's not call people stupid because they don't love Garland. You've been here long enough to know better. Attack the argument, not the poster.

Realistically speaking, Garland didn't show much of anything but a few flashes. You call Sexton's scoring being fed, but the efficiency he scored at doesn't account for being force-fed. It was absolutely elite, and being fair, probably just the tip of the iceberg. He was showing real growth at the end of the year making the right reads, all while scoring hyper efficiently.

Personally, I don't see Garland ever developing beyond a solid backup guard. I think he has the skills to be more, but I question the dedication that requires.

Now I've obviously got real estate of Sexton Island, but I think the Young Bull gonna surprise some people next year.
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Look at that stupid guy!
 
I was Garland's biggest booster in the last draft. Obviously due to injuries and changes in coaching, he had a very disappointing season. But we don't have any choice but to play him and continue his development. If we draft Ball to play PG, Garland will never develop. Plus right now he has little trade value. We need a front court player in the draft.
This off-season will be tricky, but we need a plan to get to the next level.
 
Cavatt said:
Why is it the worst in history?
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It's debatable of course, in particular you could argue that there were rookies who played 10-20 minutes per game who were worse per-minute than Garland. But Garland's combination of 30+ minutes per game, and severely negative per-minute impact on both ends of the court is unprecedented, IMO.

The only argument in his favor is "well, Sexton was almost as bad as a rookie, and he improved a lot, so maybe Garland will improve too." But that's not very convincing to me...they're different players; just because Sexton improved a lot doesn't mean Garland will. Players like Sexton are the exception; the vast majority of players who start off their careers really badly simply continue to be bad players.
 
Nathan S said:
It's debatable of course, in particular you could argue that there were rookies who played 10-20 minutes per game who were worse per-minute than Garland. But Garland's combination of 30+ minutes per game, and severely negative per-minute impact on both ends of the court is unprecedented, IMO.

The only argument in his favor is "well, Sexton was almost as bad as a rookie, and he improved a lot, so maybe Garland will improve too." But that's not very convincing to me...they're different players; just because Sexton improved a lot doesn't mean Garland will. Players like Sexton are the exception; the vast majority of players who start off their careers really badly simply continue to be bad players.
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If there was someone else to play, then I guess it would make sense. We didn't have someone else to play, so Garland got those minutes.

I dunno, I have a hard time seeing RJ Barrett or Deandre Hunter having better years. The perception is weird because RJ who had a horrible season by all accounts, didn't improve much, but if you look at Darius' numbers at the end of the year they are much better month by month. I'd rather have him than either of those guys right now, when I wanted both over him before the draft. I am just not sure what I am seeing. Like I looked at his numbers vs Devonte Graham, and there is no way I would trade 20 year old Garland for 24 year old Graham, but people are high on Graham, and i didn't see it in the film, and I don't see it in the numbers.

What is Garland worst at? Probably defense, but that is a hard thing to tease out on this team where everyone is a bad defender by the numbers except Nance. Next I would say turnover, which were bad, but were greatly reduced later in the season. That is also the area young player improve the most.

What metrics are you using to see how bad he was? I am just curious. I am not sure I buy advanced stats for rookies. With Sexton he had such a bad start his whole year numbers didn't tell the story and while I agree you can't expect Darius to have the same obsessed drive Sexton had, I did see some of the same things which was a guy who wasn't ready being thrown to the Wolves, who didn't really get his legs until after Christmas.
 
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