Darius Kinnard Garland

[Ozone]

Nice try

But when Garland isnt on the floor and Sexton is, he's running PG. Just not as effectively. 1,000 minutes is not rarely.

Saying Osman or Okoro (who's just come and started getting the ball over the past 4-5 games) has been assigned more offensive initiating duties in the thousand minutes without Garland on the floor is more an indictment of Sexton's playmaking than any roster composition.

No he wasn't I have no idea what you are trying to do here.
The coach never used Sexton as the point guard until this last stretch in a few games where Osman was out or he let Okoro give it a try.
I definitely can't see Sexton ever being a starting pg on any NBA team as is, but to pretend he has been playing it when Garland is out sounds like trying to make an apples to apples comparison using two different fruits lol

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

It appears Okoro plays much better when he's on the floor with just one of Garland/Sexton, which implies to me that he might be more effective at a 2 than a 3. Would be interesting to do a deeper dive.

Maybe there are just fewer touches/shots left for Okoro when those two high usage players are also on the floor, regardless of whether you call him a 2 or a 3.

 

[Derek]

Curious - Can you determine how many of the 691 Garland on, Sexton off, minutes also have Allen on the floor? I assume this captures the whole season, including before we traded for Allen? Or am I misreading?

I can.

Garland on, Allen on, Sexton off (382 minutes):
Team ORtg - 108.5
Team DRtg - 114.9
Pace - 97.0
Garland - 27.7 points per 100 poss, 51.6% eFG, 55.4% TS
Okoro - 17.6 points per 100 poss, 49.4% eFG, 53.8% TS
Allen - 26.4 points per 100 poss, 64.6% eFG, 67.8% TS

 

[Derek]

Maybe there are just fewer touches/shots left for Okoro when those two high usage players are also on the floor, regardless of whether you call him a 2 or a 3.

I'm sure that's most certainly the case. That accounts for his scoring drop, but wouldn't you think his efficiency would improve? It doesn't.

 

[Derek]

No he wasn't I have no idea what you are trying to do here.
The coach never used Sexton as the point guard until this last stretch in a few games where Osman was out or he let Okoro give it a try.
I definitely can't see Sexton ever being a starting pg on any NBA team as is, but to pretend he has been playing it when Garland is out sounds like trying to make an apples to apples comparison using two different fruits lol

Sexton has played 852 minutes this year without Garland, Delly, or Exum on the floor.

Sexton has been the defacto backup PG for most of the season with poor results. That's not a knock on him, he's not a PG. He was just forced into a role he's not meant for.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I'm sure that's most certainly the case. That accounts for his scoring drop, but wouldn't you think his efficiency would improve? It doesn't.

I'd think it would improve with fewer shots taken.

 

[Derek]

Actually, I'd think it wouldn't improve With both of the other two on the floor, he's going to take fewer shots, and likely be more selective because he's deferring to them. But when itis just him and one of the others, he's got to pick up more of the scoring burden, and so will be less selective.

That doesn't add up to me. If he's being more selective, that should lead to improved efficiency.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

That doesn't add up to me. If he's being more selective, that should lead to improved efficiency.

I agree. I musunderstood you the first time.

 

[Ozone]

Sexton has played 852 minutes this year without Garland, Delly, or Exum on the floor.

Sexton has been the defacto backup PG for most of the season with poor results. That's not a knock on him, he's not a PG. He was just forced into a role he's not meant for.

I have watched 90% of the games this season and there was nowhere close to that much usage of Sexton running the point.
It changes the stat comparison to being something for evaluation regarding how well players play together and what roles they are in are not in fact considered.
Imo Sexton showed he can run some plays but it takes away from his scoring. Nothing more can I take away from any of these stats except who was playing the point without Garland clearly was not Sexton most of the time.

 

[Derek]

I have watched 90% of the games this season and there was nowhere close to that much usage of Sexton running the point.
It changes the stat comparison to being something for evaluation regarding how well players play together and what roles they are in are not in fact considered.
Imo Sexton showed he can run some plays but it takes away from his scoring. Nothing more can I take away from any of these stats except who was playing the point without Garland clearly was not Sexton most of the time.

Then who was playing PG when Garland was off the floor? I already showed you there are 852 minutes with Sexton on and Garland/Delly/Exum off.

Sexton has been forced to play a ton of PG this year. That’s one of the reasons I was begging for a back PG all year. It’s not beneficial to him or anyone else to force that role upon him.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Then who was playing PG when Garland was off the floor? I already showed you there are 852 minutes with Sexton on and Garland/Delly/Exum off.

Sexton has been forced to play a ton of PG this year. That’s one of the reasons I was begging for a back PG all year. It’s not beneficial to him or anyone else to force that role upon him.

Not that I disagree with your overall point, but it seemed to me that Osman played some point forward.

 

[ansatsusha80]

Nice try

But when Garland isnt on the floor and Sexton is, he's running PG. Just not as effectively. 1,000 minutes is not rarely.

Saying Osman or Okoro (who's just come and started getting the ball over the past 4-5 games) has been assigned more offensive initiating duties in the thousand minutes without Garland on the floor is more an indictment of Sexton's playmaking than any roster composition.

While,this is true,you got to take into account Sexton is playing with the bench..Me and you know the bench is the weakest link on this team.Outside of Sexton nobody isnt good enough to score when he's with the bench..

 

[Futuredome]

While,this is true,you got to take into account Sexton is playing with the bench..Me and you know the bench is the weakest link on this team.Outside of Sexton nobody isnt good enough to score when he's with the bench..

Which is the point. It allows Colin to play in the 6th man role and microwave all he wants.

 

[ansatsusha80]

Not that I disagree with your overall point, but it seemed to me that Osman played some point forward.

That was when he was out of the doghouse, if you want to call it...Even,when Dellavedova came back from injury this team should have signed a veteran point guard because teams was still gameplanning for Sexton because he was the only threat when the bench was on the floor...

Which is the point. It allows Colin to play in the 6th man role and microwave all he wants.

Which makes no fucking sense at all..

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

While,this is true,you got to take into account Sexton is playing with the bench..Me and you know the bench is the weakest link on this team.Outside of Sexton nobody isnt good enough to score when he's with the bench..

No. Nice Try again.

Those numbers show his impact on Okoro and Allen's production without Garland on the floor.

The main takeaway, I cant stress enough, is that he negatively impacts the other core building blocks if we're asking him to initiate offense for them, get them involved in the game and conversely, help collectively play team defense. BUT, his strength, scoring, is not impacted no matter who you have on the floor with him.

Thats awesome to see. But only if you put him in the most advantageous position to use that unconscious scoring ability and stop asking him to do something he's not wired to do. This is easier than we're making it. It's just front office ego and PR that we're fighting against now.