Darius Kinnard Garland

[Pioneer10]

Sometimes the national reporters don't watch a player enough to accurately assess them. I don't blame them, this isn't a fun team to watch on league pass. I think national reporters would knock Sexton last year based on the number with rarely watching him.

I do believe some of the stuff Hollinger brings up are right. The lack of free throws is concerning. I'm not sure if he is athletically over match or just has too slow of a motor. I think he looks like a rookie on defense which might be more about adjusting to the NBA speed and getting him strength/body up to NBA standards.

I think we have seen he is able to create for others, the question is if he can create for himself especially in the paint. I don't agree that he would be in Canton if he was a 2nd round pick, he doesn't look lost out there. He more just disappears and just doesn't impact the game for long stretches while he is out there. I think that's more his personality and just that he doesn't assert himself yet.

The athleticism part is why it's such a scary pick in terms of risk. I like the kid more than Sexton just because he seems more of a team-first guy rather than mini Mamba wannabe like Clarkson. His ability to shoot and get in the lane are positives.

There have been some legendary guys with little film who blew up in the NBA. Dirk is probably the most famous of these guys and he sucked his first year. But his Hoop Summit blowup was against multiple future NBA guys like Jamison, JONeal, Mike Bibby where he destroyed them plus he was fucking 7 feet tall who could move like a SF.

Garland you just don't know he seems quick enough but he doesn't have Morant/Walker like quickness nor the explosion of a Westbrook/Rose nor the strength of a Billups/Deron Williams type. That leaves you with Steph Curry type as the hope but man there was a lot more film on Steph then we have Garland who basically faced no tough competition in his limited time in the NCAA. I can't think of a PG like Darius who was drafted so high with so little knowledge and there was no way Steph would have gone #5 w/o that year as davidson.

Any other precedent for Garland? It ain't Kyrie who looked amazing against top tier college teams in MSU and Arizona. I guess Anfernee Simmons but he went way outside the lotterly

 

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The thing with the Ja Morants and Trae Young’s is that their respective teams made them the leading men. Meaning, the ball is in their hands and offense is geared towards their strengths, while Garland is barely featured. There is no Kevin Love/TT on the Hawks or Memphis team, so everything goes through Ja/Trae. That’s the difference when comparing situations.

We also heard about Garland shooting abilities and yet there is no plays ran for him to get open and involved on offense.

I can’t shit on Garland yet. It was reported that he was out of shape and the Coach started him. That’s on the Coach.

Does anyone know Garland role on the Cavaliers? Have John B ever talked about roles?

 

[Futuredome]

"At the same time, they've got to be very good -- great teammates that see each other, can score for their own, but also find the open shooters," Beilein said.
He then added specifically of Sexton and Garland: "The two of them are going to be beautiful together."

Right. Beeline loved Garland because he thinks he has a shot to become a great shooter. He is the Cavs stab at finding the next Steph Curry. It will take years to play out and probably won't work out like hoped.

 

[Cavatt]

The thing with the Ja Morants and Trae Young’s is that their respective teams made them the leading men. Meaning, the ball is in their hands and offense is geared towards their strengths, while Garland is barely featured. There is no Kevin Love/TT on the Hawks or Memphis team, so everything goes through Ja/Trae. That’s the difference when comparing situations.

We also heard about Garland shooting abilities and yet there is no plays ran for him to get open and involved on offense.

I can’t shit on Garland yet. It was reported that he was out of shape and the Coach started him. That’s on the Coach.

Does anyone know Garland role on the Cavaliers? Have John B ever talked about roles?

I think a lot of people are worried about this. The thing is that I think he wants everyone to read and react, and it is going to take 2 years to implement that. Cedi is noticeably lost without a role, and so is Garland while Sexton has that dog in him that he didn't allow himself to marginalized.

I think a lot of us want Clarkson gone. That would open up minutes for KPJ when Windler comes back, but it would also allow Garland to run the 2nd unit, which I think could be useful. Right now Sexton is doing that more because he is better off ball to play with Clarkson. They shoudl be giving Garland a go at 2nd units because he is facing some really tough competition right now while being a terrible defender and allowing too many layups at the rim.

When I watch the team, I get the sense that Beilein is doing things the right way, but it is taking guys a long time to get accustomed to it. I think it is going to be better this way in the end, but it will be rough going at first.

 

[Acc339]

He's not an efficient player. Hes no where near Steph or Nash the two most prominent players he's compared too. He doesn't take smart shots and turns it over a ton. He's stuffing the stat sheet because his team sucks. He's not a winning player and he will never be a winning player. So yes he's a bust. His team traded Doncic for him. Might end up being the worst trade in NBA history.

Lmao bust? You can’t be serious.

28.7 points / 8.4 assists / 4.7 rebounds
46.3% FG / 39.3% 3 pt / 85.3 FT% has a .605 TS% & +7.5 OBPM

In what world are these numbers not efficient? Trae just turned 21 btw, Curry was a 21 year old rookie, Nash was 22 yr old rookie and didn’t break out until he was 27...pull up stats from year 2 & compare all 3 & tell me what you’re saying makes any sort of sense.

Hint: It doesn’t! Warriors only won 23 games in Curry’s 3rd year btw

Hawks have been missing Huerter/Collins most of the year + start two rookies + Jabari Parker/Damian Jones frontcourt. Hawks have a 111.5 ORTG with Trae on the court & 92.7 ORTG when he’s on the bench so you can’t seriously be watching & think he isn’t elevating the team when he’s on the court.

 

[NMCav]

Lmao bust? You can’t be serious.

28.7 points / 8.4 assists / 4.7 rebounds
46.3% FG / 39.3% 3 pt / 85.3 FT% has a .605 TS% & +7.5 OBPM

In what world are these numbers not efficient? Trae just turned 21 btw, Curry was a 21 year old rookie, Nash was 22 yr old rookie and didn’t break out until he was 27...pull up stats from year 2 & compare all 3 & tell me what you’re saying makes any sort of sense.

Hint: It doesn’t! Warriors only won 23 games in Curry’s 3rd year btw

Hawks have been missing Huerter/Collins most of the year + start two rookies + Jabari Parker/Damian Jones frontcourt. Hawks have a 111.5 ORTG with Trae on the court & 92.7 ORTG when he’s on the bench so you can’t seriously be watching & think he isn’t elevating the team when he’s on the court.

Young got hot again. Good for him. When I posted that he was 44 from the field and 36 from 3. He can elevate them offensively. Still plays a selfish brand of ball though. He doesn't help them at all on defense. And yeah he's a bust. When your traded for Doncic (Who if he stays healthy will be an all time great) and your just a multi time all star who stat pads like James Harden or Russell Westbrook yeah your a bust. Of course its not his fault but he will always be compared to Doncic and will always be worse.

 

[Pioneer10]

Young got hot again. Good for him. When I posted that he was 44 from the field and 36 from 3. He can elevate them offensively. Still plays a selfish brand of ball though. He doesn't help them at all on defense. And yeah he's a bust. When your traded for Doncic (Who if he stays healthy will be an all time great) and your just a multi time all star who stat pads like James Harden or Russell Westbrook yeah your a bust. Of course its not his fault but he will always be compared to Doncic and will always be worse.

 

[NMCav]

@Pioneer10
Clearly didn't comprehend what I wrote. He was traded for Doncic. If Doncic goes on to be one of the best players ever which as a sophomore he's doing things never seen before. And if all Trae Young ends up being is a stat padder on non championship teams that's not a good look. Its also not even half way through the season. Who knows if he keeps it up. As a Freshman at OU he had a great first half and struggled the 2nd half. In the NBA last year he struggled first half and was great the 2nd half. Lets see if he can put a whole season together.

 

[Pioneer10]

@Pioneer10
Clearly didn't comprehend what I wrote. He was traded for Doncic. If Doncic goes on to be one of the best players ever which as a sophomore he's doing things never seen before. And if all Trae Young ends up being is a stat padder on non championship teams that's not a good look. Its also not even half way through the season. Who knows if he keeps it up. As a Freshman at OU he had a great first half and struggled the 2nd half. In the NBA last year he struggled first half and was great the 2nd half. Lets see if he can put a whole season together.

Oh yes: what impeccable logic James Harden will go down as a bust because OKC picked him over Steph Curry. Hell Hakeem freakin Olujawan would be considered a bust because Houston took him in front of MJ.

It can be considered a bad trade, hell even an awful trade, but if Trae Young using your own exact words makes multiple all-star games he will never be considered a bust

 

[NMCav]

Oh yes: what impeccable logic James Harden will go down as a bust because OKC picked him over Steph Curry. Hell Hakeem freakin Olujawan would be considered a bust because Houston took him in front of MJ.

It can be considered a bad trade, hell even an awful trade, but if Trae Young using your own exact words makes multiple all-star games he will never be considered a bust

Hakeem for MJ is way different they played different positions and Keem still got 2 ships. Harden was the wrong pick. But the main difference is they weren't traded for each other. Hawks could have had Doncic and he was traded for Trae Young. They will forever be linked in ways Keem-MJ and Harden-Curry never will be. Doncic is 30/10/9 and is 6 months younger then Trae Young.

 

[Cavatt]

Trae's not a bust. If the Hawks took anyone besides Trae, they would look really stupid. You should be pointing out they they got Cam Reddish and Trae for Doncic which is not great.

 

[SanduskyCav]

To add to the Hollinger assessment...Many of you love Jason Lloyd and as a guest today on 92.3 The Fan he said from was he’s seen from Garland he’s not impressed and he’s been terrible.

 

[inliner311]

The athleticism part is why it's such a scary pick in terms of risk. I like the kid more than Sexton just because he seems more of a team-first guy rather than mini Mamba wannabe like Clarkson. His ability to shoot and get in the lane are positives.

There have been some legendary guys with little film who blew up in the NBA. Dirk is probably the most famous of these guys and he sucked his first year. But his Hoop Summit blowup was against multiple future NBA guys like Jamison, JONeal, Mike Bibby where he destroyed them plus he was fucking 7 feet tall who could move like a SF.

Garland you just don't know he seems quick enough but he doesn't have Morant/Walker like quickness nor the explosion of a Westbrook/Rose nor the strength of a Billups/Deron Williams type. That leaves you with Steph Curry type as the hope but man there was a lot more film on Steph then we have Garland who basically faced no tough competition in his limited time in the NCAA. I can't think of a PG like Darius who was drafted so high with so little knowledge and there was no way Steph would have gone #5 w/o that year as davidson.

Any other precedent for Garland? It ain't Kyrie who looked amazing against top tier college teams in MSU and Arizona. I guess Anfernee Simmons but he went way outside the lotterly

For me, I still don't know if he isn't athletic enough or just doesn't have the drive/killer instinct to compete. He just doesn't seem to want to go out there and shine. Even when he is shooting well, he will do it for a stretch then settle back into being invisible.

People bring up Sexton having that Mamba mentality as a negative but I think Garland is on the other side of the spectrum. Is it easier to try to tame a guy like Sexton or try to get a guy like Garland to learn that drive/killer instinct. Oladipo is the only guy that I can think of that jump up multiple levels in that respect and he had to play with Westbrook to do so.

 

[Sebastian]

Trae's not a bust. If the Hawks took anyone besides Trae, they would look really stupid. You should be pointing out they they got Cam Reddish and Trae for Doncic which is not great.

Nothing will look good other than another future Hall of Famer.

Atlanta was stupid to trade Doncic. Lunacy.

 

[Pioneer10]

Nothing will look good other than another future Hall of Famer.

Atlanta was stupid to trade Doncic. Lunacy.

There was a couple of articles on this and it basically had to due with a slump in Euroleague. He was consensus #1 but then had a couple of dud performances close to the draft process. Probably just related to playing a long season and being young in a man's league. This scared off teams.