Day 1 Draft Thread [Rounds: 1]

[Matches]

Best chance: He's an average player in the league. Was hoping to get more out of this pick.

Unfortunately for guys taken this late the most likely scenario is that they're average, and it's more likely that they end up below average than an upper tier starter.



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[Bob_The_Cat]

Here's a key thing to remember about all of this: the fallout of trading Carson Wentz. It's going to be extremely interesting to see how the accumulation of assets continues directly stemming from the Wentz trade.

I know some fans hated passing on him and don't like the ensuing trades that happened, but the following is what the Browns have added to this point by NOT reaching on a QB.

Carson Wentz

Or

C Coleman
Peppers
S Coleman
2017 2nd (via Tenn)
2018 1st (via Texans)
2018 2nd (via Eagles)

This isn't even including guys like Kindred, Kessler, and a couple others the Browns got in later rounds last year.

It's honestly amazing looking at that trade as a whole with the possibility of adding more. Wentz would have to become the next Elway and the Browns would have to whiff on nearly every pick for this not to work out in their favor.

 

[caf]

Here's a key thing to remember about all of this: the fallout of trading Carson Wentz. It's going to be extremely interesting to see how the accumulation of assets continues directly stemming from the Wentz trade.

I know some fans hated passing on him and don't like the ensuing trades that happened, but the following is what the Browns have added to this point by NOT reaching on a QB.

Carson Wentz

Or

C Coleman
Peppers
S Coleman
2017 2nd (via Tenn)
2018 1st (via Texans)
2018 2nd (via Eagles)

This even including guys like Kindred, Kessler, and a couple others the Browns got in later rounds last year.

It's honestly amazing looking at that trade as a whole with the possibility of adding more. Wentz would have to become the next Elway and the Browns would have to whiff on nearly every pick for this not to work out in their favor.

And that's not including the fact that with Wentz, we may have won two games last year. Meaning Myles Garrett isn't a Brown.

 

[Frank Stallone]

Lol some of y'all are hilarious.

Someone really said Peppers is the single worst 1st round pick ever?

Good lord.

 

[I'mWithDan]

This is an outstanding Peppers video analysis. Highly encourage you to watch.

Really interesting breakdown.....thanks for sharing. I love stuff like this.

 

[Douglar]

If the contest for #2 was just between Bears and the 49ers, then the bears got scammed last night. Then again, maybe their was a third team driving up the price on the #2 pick.

I'm glad that the Browns didn't trade out of #1 or take Trubisky who seems like a 50-50 prospect at best. Garrett seems like a special guy. Hope he does good things.

Trading #12, #32, & #108 for #25, #29 & a 2018 first rounder looks good on paper. It got them real talent at two positions they needed while keeping some powerful ammo in the draft for next year. Now we just need those athletic multi-positional draftees to become athletic multi-positional NFL players.

 

[Kbiz]

I refrained from posting in here last night b/c i was a bit too emotional. I was sick to my stomach after not taking Hooker at #12.

With that said, I am still upset with trading down from #12. There was just too much talent there. I would've been happy with Howard and Allen as well. With Njoku, it made me less upset but damn, we are really hoping that Peppers can be molded into the player Williams wants. Not saying it can't happen. I am just saying we are taking on a project folks, not a day one contributor. There was just some surefire talent that fell into our laps and we passed on all of it.

I get it..."we got another pick next year!" I just prefer to pick logically vs. picking lucky. Now we have to hope next year's draft is just as deep, which isn't likely, and we have to hope HOU is bad. There's just a lot of "hope" in that sentence.

 

[col63onel]

Now we have to hope next year's draft is just as deep, which isn't likely, and we have to hope HOU is bad. There's just a lot of "hope" in that sentence.

 

[Mr. Orange]

I said before this draft, as long as they take Myles Garrett, they can't screw this up.

Browns needed a safety. After Adams there were question marks with a lot of safeties, including Hooker. It's just a much smarter play to pick up a first next year, move back and take one of those safeties. I would have rather had 1st + Obi, but you cannot say for certain who will be the better pro between Hooker and Peppers (and Hooker has injury concerns) so why not de-risk with an extra first?

That is moneyball in action ladies and gents. I'd love to add another DB at 52, maybe Obi will be there. Browns got better and more athletic on both sides of the ball today.

 

[sportscoach]

We gotta trust their scouting. I personally am not fond of Peppers, but that being said I understand he does fit into Williams system so hopefully Peppers prove us wrong and gets as many awards as the other gentleman with the last name of Peppers

 

[col63onel]

Peppers is boom or bust to me.

He obviously has a unique skill set, he's a great tackler, and he has D Coordinator who won't shy away from using him creatively. On top of that, he should help in the return game and get the occasional offensive touch. Now, those aren't reasons to to take a guy at 25, but it's a nice bonus.

The obvious downside is that we really don't know if he's an NFL safety or not. That's a potential huge negative. If he's too much of a tweener, then we just took a returner at #25.

So boom or bust.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Not saying it can't happen. I am just saying we are taking on a project folks, not a day one contributor. There was just some surefire talent that fell into our laps and we passed on all of it.
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I'm not sure there is such a thing as surefire talent other than at the very top of a draft -- and maybe not even then. Lots of first-round rookies need to be eased into a starting role. Peppers will be a day one contributor at least on special teams, and probably pretty significant.

Hooker has injury concerns, and while "can't tackle" is clearly hyperbole, saying that tackling is a weakness probably isn't. And given the historic problems we've had stopping the run, I can certainly see preferring a plus tackler as a safety to a minus one.

I was not initially a fan of drafting the guy -- based basically on listening to what folks here were saying --, but since seeing that video and reading up on Williams' defense, it's a pick that makes sense to me.

Plus, it is apparent the Browns determined that there was not a QB available to us around 12 who fit the "franchise" need. That automatically puts us in the franchise QB sweepstakes for next year, so accumulating an additional first round pick as ammo is almost a no brainer.

 

[AZ_]

At this point, you only hope that Peppers focusing on ONE position only under Gregg Williams is an opportunity for more growth in the areas he struggles with.

Pursuit angles are not his thing, but as an in the box safety playing close to the line of scrimmage is where he needed to be at this level.

I'm just hopeful Williams can teach him that role to a point where he could be effective as your blitz DB in the box.


Would have been a perfect role for Obi, but I digress.

 

[Kbiz]

I'm not sure there is such a thing as surefire talent other than at the very top of a draft -- and maybe not even then. Lots of first-round rookies need to be eased into a starting role. Peppers will be a day one contributor at least on special teams, and probably pretty significant.

Hooker has injury concerns, and while "can't tackle" is clearly hyperbole, saying that tackling is a weakness probably isn't. And given the historic problems we've had stopping the run, I can certainly see preferring a plus tackler as a safety to a minus one.

I was not initially a fan of drafting the guy -- based basically on listening to what folks here were saying --, but since seeing that video and reading up on Williams' defense, it's a pick that makes sense to me.

Plus, it is apparent the Browns determined that there was not a QB available to us around 12 who fit the "franchise" need. That automatically puts us in the franchise QB sweepstakes for next year, so accumulating an additional first round pick as ammo is almost a no brainer.

I get that it makes sense but would it have made more sense to draft a guy like Allen, creating a potential pass rush like Freeney and Mathis? I am not upset that they didn't take Hooker. I am upset that there was Top 5 talent still available and we drafted down to get a pick that holds no value right now in comparison to the player value that fell to us. It's just a first round pick floating in a sea of hope.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I get that it makes sense but would it have made more sense to draft a guy like Allen, creating a potential pass rush like Freeney and Mathis? I am not upset that they didn't take Hooker. I am upset that there was Top 5 talent still available....

The top 5 talent all went in the top 5 picks. A lot of circle-jerking pundits had Allen as a surefire top 5 pick, but apparently NFL guys (who have more information than fans or pundits), saw him as a "top 17" pick.

I don't agree conceptually with after the fact characterizations of "value" based on pre-draft speculation and mocks.